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Aurelian Florea wrote on Thu, Oct 26, 2017 06:30 AM UTC:

Hey Greg, how is the tournament going, my round 2 games are long gone, I'm just curious about what else goes on :)!


Aurelian Florea wrote on Thu, Sep 21, 2017 05:44 AM UTC:

Thank you Fergus!


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Wed, Sep 20, 2017 08:03 PM UTC:

Go to each game, then click on your opponent's name at the bottom of the board. You will then see the email address as a captcha. Solve the captcha by entering the correct email address, and you will be given a link to it. I already checked, and both of your opponents have their email addresses publicly available.


Aurelian Florea wrote on Wed, Sep 20, 2017 08:04 AM UTC:

@Greg Strong,

I have failed to contact my other 2 opponents, I don't seems to find their emails, could you further help me please?


Aurelian Florea wrote on Sun, Sep 17, 2017 04:19 PM UTC:

@Greg Strong

Hello, I'm terribly sorry, it seems I miscounted my pawns. Silly me I guess.

I'll try to contact my other opponents, thanks for your help.


Greg Strong wrote on Sun, Sep 17, 2017 04:02 PM UTC:

Hi Aurelian,

I'm not sure what you mean - my last move was a pawn from d5 to c4, a diagonal move that was not a capture.

Sorry your opponents aren't moving.  You can certainly send them an email.  There are links to the id pages for all participants on the top of the tournament page.  Hopefully the come back soon!


Aurelian Florea wrote on Sat, Sep 16, 2017 06:52 AM UTC:

@Greg Strong

Hello Greg, long time no se I could get back to you for unrelated matter!

During our tournament Beronlina Game you have made an ilegal move as far as I can see, as you have moved an berolina pawn regularilly, I guess it is excusalbe but still :)!

Moreover, in the other two games of mine this rounds, my opponents have not moved in a week, is there any way to promt them, me or you?


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, May 19, 2017 08:28 PM UTC:

1. Marseillais, Extinction, Berolina, FRC, Switching

2. Shogi, Xiangqi, Janggi, Makruk

3. Victorian, Embassy, Grotesque, Janus, Capablanca

4. Eurasian, Opulent, Omega, Grand, Unicorn Great

5. McCooey's, Glinkski's, Cylindrical, Circular, Diamond

6. Courier Chess, Shatranj, Grand Acedrix, Los Alamos, Chu Shogi

7. Pocket Mutation, Alice Chess, CWDA, Wildebeest, Ultima


Greg Strong wrote on Fri, May 19, 2017 05:56 AM UTC:

Ok, Opulent Chess preset has been updated with full rule enforcement.  Also, piece sets have been grouped so players can select alfaerie or abstract graphics.  I also added a second alfaerie option for players that prefer the more common chancellor/archbishop graphics rather than the alternate images I prefer.

One strange thing - the preset is showing up on the What's New page as expected, but the text it is showing is the primary item description rather than the "whats new text" I think it should be showing.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, May 18, 2017 12:38 AM UTC:

I fixed the display of the two-step move, but I still have to fix it to ask what you would like to promote a Pawn to.


Greg Strong wrote on Wed, May 17, 2017 05:27 PM UTC:

Hi Fergus, can you please take a look at the Grand Chess preset?  It was my intention to modify it for Opulent, but it is not showing the 2-space pawn move properly.  I looked at it and believe the issue is in the include files and I didn't want to mess with your includes.  Thanks!


Omnia Nihilo wrote on Wed, May 17, 2017 05:06 PM UTC:

I'll vote neutral. As I said earlier I'm fine with whatever games get picked. 


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Wed, May 17, 2017 04:04 PM UTC:

I haven't voted yet, because the preset for Opulent Chess doesn't enforce the rules. I could probably do it myself, but maybe Greg would like to do it as an exercise in programming a game for Game Courier. I think it could be done by modifying the code for Grand Chess to include some extra pieces.


Greg Strong wrote on Wed, May 17, 2017 10:57 AM UTC:

Welcome back, John!  When you get a chance, can you please rank the games in each category?  I'm assigning points to each game based on everyone's ranking.  You have time- this won't be finalized until this weekend at the earliest.  Thanks!


John Davis wrote on Tue, May 16, 2017 09:42 PM UTC:

HURRAY! I'm back. Thank you Greg, and thanks for taking an editorship. As far as the tournament, most of my study has been in categories 3 and 4 and most of 6. Unfortunately I have little to no experience in the others. I feel comfortable with 1, Fischer Random 2, Makruk 5, Cylinder and 7, Wildebeast or CwDA.


Greg Strong wrote on Tue, May 16, 2017 09:18 PM UTC:

Hi Erik,

Thanks for your interest.  Regarding game selection, it is possible to swap out a game so long as the replacement fits in the category and there is broad concensus.  Four people have already provided rankings, though, so I wouldn't want to do any swapping at this point unless there is broad concensus.

Regarding Chess with Different Armies, for fairness, we should stick with the four official armies.  The others may not be as balanced.  The Meticulous Mashers, for example, is definitely too powerful.


Erik Lerouge wrote on Tue, May 16, 2017 09:06 PM UTC:

Hello everybody,

I'm interested to participate in this tournament. I would thank Greg for organizing this, and for offering me to join in.

Just a few questions:

- Is the game list definitively adopted, or may be subject to other propositions? (I don't speak of obscure or too experimental games, of course, but games, without being necessarily widely recognized, which are at least popular or recognized on this website.) It's just a question; the games proposed by Greg are okay for me.

- for Chess with Different Armies (if we are led to play this one), is there a list of armies from which we must choose? For example, could we take one that is not Betza's?

In all cases, here is my preference order for the mentioned games:

Chess with a small modification:
Berolina Chess - Marseillais Chess - Extinction Chess - Switching Chess - Fischer Random Chess

Regional variant:
Xiangqi - Janggi - Makruk - Shogi

Capablanca variant:
Janus Chess - Embassy Chess - Grotesque Chess - Victorian Chess - Capablanca Chess

Decimal variant:
Eurasian Chess - Omega Chess - Grand Chess - Opulent Chess - Unicorn Great Chess

Alternate geometry:
Glinski's Hexagonal Chess - Diamond Chess - McCooey's Hexagonal Chess - Cylindrical Chess - Circular Chess

Historical game:
Grande Acedrex - Courier Chess - Shatranj - Los Alamos Chess - Chu Shogi

Recognized variant grab-bag:
Ultima - Wildebeest Chess - Alice Chess - Chess with Different Armies - Pocket Mutation Chess


Nick Wolff wrote on Tue, May 16, 2017 06:14 PM UTC:

Sorry for the delay - house renovations.  Here are my rankings from highest to lowest, by category:

 

Switching, FRC, Berolina, Marseillais, Extinction

Shogi, Jangii, Makruk, Xiangqi

Victorian Capablanca, Embassy, Grotesque, Janus

Eurasian, Opulant, Omega, Unicorn, Grand

Cylindrical, Glinski, McCooey, Circular, Diamond

Courier, Chu, Grand Acedrex, Shatranj, Los Alamos

Wildebeest, Alice, CWDA, Pocket, Ultima


Greg Strong wrote on Tue, May 16, 2017 05:50 PM UTC:

Fergus,

I created a web page for this tournament, but I can't get it to show in the index.  The page is here (same location as previous tournaments):

http://play.chessvariants.com/tournaments/gamecourier2017.html

I think the issue may be that when I try to use the index edit functions, it decides the URL is 'naments/gamecourier2017.html'.  For some reason it's chopping off part of the name.  Adding the extra in doesn't seem to help.

Thanks,
Greg


Carlos Cetina wrote on Tue, May 16, 2017 02:15 PM UTC:

You are welcome, Greg, and thanks to you too for staying firm in leading of this enterprise.

I would like to clarify that the fact that I agree with Fergus's idea of carrying out a pre-selection of variants does not necessarily imply that I am against your proposal, because this last is already a selection; I consider that the choice you have made is quite general and serves well to the goal of consolidating a tournament format that in the future will become the main here in Game Courier. For me the important thing is that your initiative goes ahead and I fervently hope that the 8 people who have expressed their interest in participating remain united and bring the event to a successful conclusion.

The problem that prevents editing any previous comment is in the process of registering to the website, since [being fully registered] this message appears on the screen when you click on the edit button: "You must sign in before you can edit this comment. Please go back and try again."
 


Nick Wolff wrote on Tue, May 16, 2017 07:32 AM UTC:

I've been away from my computer all day - rankings to come when I wake up!


Greg Strong wrote on Tue, May 16, 2017 02:52 AM UTC:

Thanks, Carlos!

Since we are running, there are a couple of other things that should probably be specified at this point:

Chess with Different Armies: If this game is included, each participant will tell me (privately) at the start which army he or she will play.  To ensure that I do not cheat, I will publicly say that, if CwDA is selected, I will play the Fabulous FIDEs.  While there is disagreement about which army is best, I think it is clear that it is not the Fabulous FIDEs.

Grande Acedrex: There has been a variety of interpretations of the rules over the years due to the scarcity of sources.  I believe the best, most current, source is that of Jean-Louis Cazaux, with the modification of H. G. Muller and agreed to by Jean-Louis Cazaux, located here: http://history.chess.free.fr/acedrex.htm. The one difference involves the rhino/unicorn. It moves outward, as one would expect, and J. L. Cazaux hasn't yet updated his webpage, although he agrees with this intrepretation.


Carlos Cetina wrote on Tue, May 16, 2017 02:48 AM UTC:

Sorry, I forgot to include Diamond in the 5th category.

5. Cylindrical, Circular, McCooey, Glinski, Diamond

[A bug in the text editor prevented me from editing my previous comment.]


Carlos Cetina wrote on Tue, May 16, 2017 02:10 AM UTC:

OK, these are the mine:

1. FRC, Berolina, Switching, Extintion,, Marseillais

2. Xianqgqi, Jangii, Makruk, Shogi

3. Capablanca, Janus, Victorian, Embassy, Grotesque

4. Unicorn Great Chess, Opulent, Grand, Omega, Eurasian

5. Cylindrical, Circular, McCooey, Glinski

6. Shatranj, Courier, Los Alamos, Grande Acedrex, Chu Shogi

7. Pocket Mutation, Alice, CwdA, Wildebeest, Ultima


Greg Strong wrote on Tue, May 16, 2017 12:33 AM UTC:

Ok, I think we're up to 8 players.  Erik expressed interest during one of our games, and John Davis emailed me.

Regarding format, I thought allowing each pair of players to decide on games without requiring everyone to play the same thing would increase the chances of players playing games that they liked.  But two people have spoken against this idea, and none have spoken in favor, so scratch that.  We will still play one game from each category, but everyone will be playing the same games.  Also, I think this change basically means there's no fair way to do category 8, so that's gone also.  But since we have 8 players, I think 7 categories works out well - each player plays one game in each category and plays against every other player in exactly one game.

Now, to select the game from each category ...  I'd like everyone to rank the games in each category from most preferred to least preferred.  I will assign points accordingly, and add up the results.  You can post here, or you can email me if you prefer not to rank them publicly (mageofmaple@gmail.com.)

Here are my rankings (starting with game I'd most like to the game I'd least like):

1. FRC, Switching, Berolina, Extinction, Marseillais

2. Shogi, Xiangqi, Makruk, Jangii

3. Victorian, Embassy, Grotesque, Capablanca, Janus

4. Opulent, Unicorn Great, Eurasian, Grand, Omega

5. Cylindrical, Glinski's, McCooey's, Diamond, Circular

6. Grande Acedrex, Courier Chess, Shatranj, Chu Shogi, Los Alamos

7. Pocket Mutation, CwDA, Wildebeest, Alice, Ultima


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