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M Winther wrote on Sun, Feb 20, 2011 06:57 PM UTC:Poor ★

The expanded palace removes most of the traditional mating methods. The elbow horse check is rendered almost useless. The standard cannon mate on the last rank (when the king is surrounded by the mandarins) doesn't exist anymore. The added bishops can probably not compensate for this as both bishops move on the same diagonal colour, and the opponent's bishops move on the other diagonal colour. As a result the opponents control half of the squares each, a questionable circumstance. So there is no real bishop pair. The horse is even weaker now on this longer board, and the dragon is almost useless. A rook is even stronger, probably worth three horses. A bishop is probably worth almost two horses. I suspect this game is much more drawish than Xaingqi as it is not easy to invade the squares controlled by the opponent's  bishops (and which cannot be controlled with one's own bishops). I suspect mate is much more difficult to achieve. 
/Mats

💡📝Travis Z wrote on Sun, Feb 20, 2011 04:58 PM UTC:

Thanks for the comments.  I have tried rewording it and making changes to make it more clear.

The reason why the Dragon cannot kill another one, because they never meet up on the same spaces.  If one player is black and the other white, the white's dragons never have the option of even being able to take a black dragon.  It is just impossible.  It is similar to that one's elephants cannot take another's elephants.  It is 'physically' impossible in a sense.

As for having a better diagram for the board.  I am going to see what I can do for that.  I am still new to this submission thing, and when I get some free time, I will see about getting a better diagram in so that it is easier to see and understand.

Christine Bagley-Jones wrote on Sun, Feb 20, 2011 09:32 AM UTC:

Heya
Under the heading 'pieces' u describe the moves of the 'dragon', but u dont describe fully, the rest of the description u have in 'notes'. And it is an important part of the movement of the dragon. I really think u should put the full description of the 'dragon' where u describe it's movement.

Also, u say 'The Dragon on its own cannot kill another Dragon'

If the rule is simply 'a dragon cannot take another dragon', i think u should say like that, saying 'on it's own' seems to imply it might be able to take another dragon 'with help'.

Also i wonder why u say 'Hence the Dragon is more of a Defensive unit but can be used offensively but in a limited capacity.'
The dragon can take other pieces, right, except another dragon, and can't give check, but it does have range, it can back up pieces and can take other pieces, from range, yes? 

I havn't played much chinese chess really so i don't fully know much about defending in this game, i just wonder how a 4 step mover can be a defender, seems if it moves it does move a fair distance away from defence, maybe? I would be interested in hearing your thoughts, game looks nice, would be interesting to see how it plays, would be nice to see a small diagram of the whole board with pieces on it too.
Thanks :)

edit - oh i'm guessing it plays defence by blocking?

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