[ Help | Earliest Comments | Latest Comments ][ List All Subjects of Discussion | Create New Subject of Discussion ][ List Latest Comments Only For Pages | Games | Rated Pages | Rated Games | Subjects of Discussion ]Comments/Ratings for a Single Item Later ⇩Reverse Order⇧ Earlier Griffon. Historic piece that steps one space diagonally then slides like a Rook.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]George Duke wrote on 2016-10-11 UTCThe Hippogriff of Tamerlane Chess is explained on the same Griffon page of Jeremy Good. Hippogriff moves like earlier Gryphon/Griffon/(different spellings), but is excluded from the nearby squares, that is those within the 7x7 square perimeter. Since also blockable, Hippogriff is subset of Gryphon. 1283 was year of publication of Grande Acedrez with first use of Gryphon. Timur Lenk, inventor of namesake Timur's or Tamerlane Chess (1336-1405) has Giraffe as Hippogriff, the classic Gryphon that is excluded from those near squares. So there was a hundred years to ponder better implementation of Gryphon into Hippogriff. We can presume intellectual transfer of ideas from Spain to Persia, just as there was trade continually between Inuit Arctic and Siberia. https://www.google.com/search?sa=G&hl=en&q=gustave+dor%C3%A9&tbm=isch&tbs=simg:CAQSlQEJJONZ7scbvBUaiQELEKjU2AQaAggCDAsQsIynCBpiCmAIAxIo_1BHoEb4XzAv7EbIcuhbGD7kLkwy5OrU62D7XPr46uDr8Ldks_1y20Ohow8XOAb2THltHscfBShsKNZ48M1-z-jR2xsQ0CbEuLXPHMIVWT14Wi0srN9dfMhUs3IAQMCxCOrv4IGgoKCAgBEgQPwcxyDA,isz:l&ved=0ahUKEwi_5f-G2pzQAhXoyFQKHRL7APsQ2A4IHigE&biw=1920&bih=974#imgrc=Ackhrp7O_-BASM%3A David Paulowich wrote on 2007-01-22 UTCQUOTE: 'In the diagram below, white has just moved his Griffon from b1 to a6.' Yes, the Black King on c5 would have already been in check from a Griffon on b1. We should change the starting square of the Griffon to f5, making everything legal. Anonymous wrote on 2007-01-21 UTC I was talking about a gryphon on b1, not a6. From b1, it can move diagonally to c2, then continue straight upward to c5. Note that no pieces obstruct this movement. Also, according to the description, black's king would have to have been on c5 when the gryphon was on b1. John Ayer wrote on 2007-01-16 UTCThe griffon is not a leaper, so the black king is not in check. Anonymous wrote on 2007-01-14 UTCGood ★★★★ In the 6x6-board demonstration of the gryphon's move, an impossible situation is shown. A gryphon at b1 checks the king at c5 (and - irrelevantly- attacks the rook on g2). If the black king is in check on white's move, white can simply take the black king! This is illegal, and implies that the black king either moved into check or refused to move out of it(both of which are illegal). Anonymous wrote on 2002-09-17 UTCZurafa is arabic meaning giraffe (and being the etymological source for the word 'giraffe'). --Jörg Knappen Anonymous wrote on 2002-09-16 UTCzurafa means giraffe in some oriental languages (without checking I am not sure which ones apply). --JÖorg Knappen William Overington wrote on 2002-09-14 UTCExcellent ★★★★★Can anyone say what is the meaning of the word zurafa please? I have looked in a number of web dictionaries but cannot find it. Anonymous wrote on 2002-09-13 UTCI propose renaming the piece described here as hippogriff into zurafa. This term is used by Jellis to discriminate the Tamerlane chess piece from the giraffe ((1,4)-leaper). Jörg Knappen Ben Good wrote on 2002-07-23 UTCthere is a remark on spelling. i consulted several dictionaries on spelling and i found virtually no indication that any particular spelling is preferred. i used 'griffon' because it's the one i've run into the most in my life. 'gryphion' does not show up in the dictionary i have here, altho it is not an unabridged dictionary, so i will have to check in another dictionary when i get a chance. i can add mention of hadden's games to the page. keeping track of what pieces appear in what games is an extremely difficult proccess. Anonymous wrote on 2002-07-23 UTCGood ★★★★I think there should be a remark on spelling, the word griffin (my prefferred spelling) occurs on www.chessvariants.com as griffin, griffon, gryphon or even gryphion (and probably other variations as well). Grffins and hippogriffs also occur in Mark heedens Io chess, the griffin is also in Ganymede chess and Europan chess. Mark Heddens hippogriff is Griffin + Rook (a Reaper in Ralph Betza's tripunch chess) -- so different from the hippogriff described here. A last note: The griffin is also a heraldic animal, and artist (making chess fonts or variant chess set) may want to look at http://home.planet.nl/~artrako/Algemeen/Grijpvogels-EN.html -- nice griffin art. --J'org Knappen Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on 2002-07-23 UTCExcellent ★★★★★This page, and all which are related, is very well done. I love the Griffon with its asymetrical move which makes it so interesting. I use it in my variants and I would like to mention that I also use a 'half-griffon', that I name a 'Ship' in my TAMERLANE 2000 and GIGACHESS The Ship is a kind of vertical-only Griffon, a nice (not too strong) piece for fork attack. Also asymetrical, like a Ship which can not easily return against the wind... The Ship is between the Bishop and the Rook in term of power. 12 comments displayedLater ⇩Reverse Order⇧ EarlierPermalink to the exact comments currently displayed.