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John Ayer wrote on 2005-10-30 UTC
That the Japanese chess-king is a jade general rather than a jeweled
general is supported by the wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shogi and this other website:
http://www.crockford.com/chess/shogi.html .  Murray seems to say that he
depended for his information on nineteenth-century German translations of
a few Japanese documents.  This is rather a shock; it has been 'jeweled
general' to us for so long!

Petri wrote on 2005-11-18 UTCGood ★★★★
Dear Nate, John. Jewelled general is in my opinion the most correct traslation of shogi king. The upper symbol 'kanji' in shogi king means jewel or ball. What kind of jewel it is is defined by adding other symbols before it. here is a link where you can look by yourself:

http://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=7389

But what should shock you is that knight is not honorable horse but a 'cinnamon tree-horse' and lance is 'perfume-chariot'. names probably chosen by phonetic reasons rather than those of meaning


(zzo38) A. Black wrote on 2005-11-19 UTCExcellent ★★★★★
The name chosen for only phonetic reason should be written in kana!

Larry Smith wrote on 2005-11-19 UTC
Another interpretation of the King with the `gyoku` kanji might be 
`handsome general`.  The one with the `oo` kanji could be `ruling 
general`. 

Of course, one way to avoid the problem of interpretation is to called the
pieces by their Japanese names.  So the King would be either `gyokushoo` or
`ooshoo`(these names depend upon the side of the field).  But we can still
end up arguing about the proper phonetic spelling.

I prefer that the terms Black and White should be `sente` and `gote`.

But the introduction of Shogi to western culture began a long while back,
and those individuals responsible for its early interpretation selected
terms which they believed would make its assimilation easier.  Right?
Wrong? Maybe just expedient.

Marek wrote on 2005-11-28 UTCExcellent ★★★★★
Shogi can now also be played online at Kurnik Online Games (http://www.kurnik.org/) with both traditional and Westernized pieces.

Charles Gilman wrote on 2006-01-28 UTCExcellent ★★★★★
So 'Jade General' would require prefixing with a third character to specify that it was that kind of jewel, right? Thanks for that clarification, I'll mention it next time I update Generalised Generals.

Dane Rogers wrote on 2006-02-04 UTCGood ★★★★
How about creating a shogi variant using all the shogi pieces from every game and every piece on the Chess variant pages?! It will probably be about 40 by 40 to 45 by 45 spaces big! Please use all versions of a piece. Please give me credit for the idea . By Dane Rogers. Age 11 and 3/4

David Paulowich wrote on 2006-02-04 UTC
http://www.chessvariants.org/d.photo/taishogi/taipic.html

has some pictures of a (25x25) board and pieces for Tai Shogi. Dane, I think that is about the largest game anyone here will ever play.


Gary Gifford wrote on 2006-02-05 UTCExcellent ★★★★★
Shogi, is of course, an excellent game. But here is what is interesting: In
relation to another CV comment, seemingly unrelated (i.e., Fergus's
comment to research a certain player to see he (Fergus) had no
double-identity).. Well, I did research that player and found out he was
in Tokyo and had a Shogi link which was quite interesting.  He also
mentioned a site where you could play Shogi in real-time.  So, I went to
http://www.kurnik.org and in minutes won my first 10 minute on-line speed
Shogi game... quite fun.  I was then crushing my opponent in a second game
when a most terrible thing happened.  I went to move the Rook, but then
realized I could drop a pawn instead and win a Lance for the pawn.  When I
clicked to drop the pawn, my Rook moved to that square instead... so,
instead of winning a Lance, I lost a Rook... oh what sorrow due to a
mechanical issue.  Anyway, it is fun to play real-time Shogi... and thanks
to the rating system double-idntity issue, a real-time Shogi site was
found.

Elijah Johnson wrote on 2006-02-05 UTC
I think the closest thing to that would be Taiykoku Shogi, with a 36x36 Board and 100+ types of pieces. There's probaly someone around here who's finished a game of the flash version.

Dane Rogers wrote on 2006-02-18 UTC
Thanks for the replies David and Elijah. If you want a game of taikyoku
shogi, you can find it in here.
http://taikyokushogi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/taikyoku.swf and thats the larger
version.
http://taikyokushogi.hp.infoseek.co.jp/taikyoku.html

Christine Bagley-Jones wrote on 2006-06-18 UTCExcellent ★★★★★
ahhhh shogi, love the drops

Jeremy Good wrote on 2006-07-07 UTC

Shogi Champ plays in chess tournament.

Remarkable is the 38th place of FM Yoshiharu Habu (6/9). Why? Because Habu is not really a chess player, but the world's leading Shogi champion, who has taken a casual interest in chess.

Read the rest ...here


Roberto Lavieri wrote on 2006-07-08 UTC
Yes, Mr. Habu is the best Shogi player right now, and he plays Chess 'as hobby'; he has said he has not time to study Chess theory more than the basic things, and he practices Chess very eventually. But he has obtained in the last Tournament his second 'Chess International Master norm'. One more and he is going to be IM, an IM that only plays the game once in a while, without dedication to it. Remarkable, but, undoubtedly, his Shogi experience helps a lot.

Anonymous wrote on 2007-11-04 UTC
Perpetual check is forbidden, but how about other repeated situations?

Anonymous wrote on 2007-11-05 UTC
No piece may be dropped to a square from which it will impossible to move forever, not only when dropped.

Brian Guo wrote on 2008-04-19 UTC
The board layout is as follows:


   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
   | l | n | s | g | k | g | s | n | l |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
   |   | r |   |   |   |   |   | b |   |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
   | p | p | p | p | p | p | p | p | p |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
   | P | P | P | P | P | P | P | P | P |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
   |   | B |   |   |   |   |   | R |   |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
   | L | N | S | G | K | G | S | N | L |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+

Anonymous wrote on 2008-07-16 UTC
Does anyone know '¤K¤è®Û'(Eight directions of honorable hose)? 

One player must remove his or her four pieces: rook, bishop, and both
lances from the setup, and then his or her honorable horses called
'¤K¤è®Û' can move as free as knight in Chess. 

If this player's own honorable horse is captured by the other player, the
latter could't move it as knight. 

If the fomer captures the latter's horrable horse, it could move as
knight. 

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/tetsu/toybox/kapitan/kp016.htm

Charles Gilman wrote on 2008-08-06 UTC
My computer cannot read '¤K¤è®Û'. What is the transliteration and
translation? This is of interest to me as an authentic Japanese name for
the Knight is something that I should add to my Bishogi page.

On the unequal-armies Shogi itself, my first instinct is that 2 Knights
are no match for 6 pieces includig a Bishop and a Rook. Or is a Knight
promoted to something really powerful?

Rich Hutnik wrote on 2008-09-10 UTCGood ★★★★
Shogi is on the XBox 360!

I just saw this on XBox Live Arcade. Shotest Shogi has been released for the XBox 360, and able to be obtained through XBox Live. It contains both traditional and symbolic notation.

You can learn more on it here:
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/s/shotestshogixboxlivearcade/
http://previews.teamxbox.com/xbox-360/1917/Shotest-Shogi/p1/

I rate it good, because finally a console gets Shogi.

Jose Carrillo wrote on 2009-11-07 UTC
paper Shogi set:
http://www.hollandnumerics.demon.co.uk/pdf/SHOGI_SET.PDF

Vitya Makov wrote on 2010-01-13 UTCExcellent ★★★★★
My favourite shogi piece is Lance.

Anonymous wrote on 2010-01-22 UTC
To Charles Gilman: Yes, I think this makes sense, because although I've not played many games of Shogi, I know that Shogi is very different from chess, where material advantage is important. In Shogi, without the possibility to exchange pieces off, the side with large material advantage doesn't have a easy win, while the normal chess Knight's forking power is an advantage that is not in any way small. In addition, the Knights don't afraid capture too much, as they are only Keima in the opponent's hand; while the opponent's Keima, which can be traped with a single Silver, will become a full Knight. So the game is roughly fair anyway.

Fergus Duniho wrote on 2010-02-02 UTC

I have posted a couple videos on Shogi onto YouTube. The first one has a link to the second one at the end of the video. I have a couple more planned to complete the series. Here is the first one:


Fergus Duniho wrote on 2010-02-07 UTC

I have now recorded and posted the third video in my 'Shogi for Chess Players' series on Youtube. This one uses Zillions of Games to explain and demonstrate how pieces move and promote. For this video, I used a microphone to narrate a screencast I made using the BB Flashback Express 2 Recorder.


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