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Sure it would look better. But that is a moot point, as one cannot machine S-shapes with a lathe, as they violate cylinder symmetry. The objective is to do the best one can within the imposed limitations of the production process, and so far I couldn't come up with anything better than this one.
As for hating plastic pieces (I play with plastic, wood, ceramic, metal), I ask seriously: has anyone ever seen wooden checkers for sale? preferably matching chess pieces?
This is not an exhaustive list. For regular checkers (not cheap) http://www.chessusa.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=F3-200&Category_Code=CHK&Product_Count=4 http://www.chessusa.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=F3-007&Category_Code=CHK&Product_Count=3 http://www.thechessstore.com/c=mUwXbvqJe2zEk7s142bYNXos9/category/260_other_games.checkers Unfinished wood checkers (much cheaper) http://www.craftparts.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=checkers
I dropped the idea of cylinder symmetry, allowing the piece to consist of a head machined
separately from the base (like most Staunton Knights). The following design seems suited
for manufacturing in a reasonably small number of steps, the main step of the process being the
creation of two cyclindrical surfaces which will contain the eyes, ears and outside tusks.
The model I made has a round backside, but currently I am leaning more to making that flat.
Please tell me what you think of it!
That's not a bad start for an elephant. I would definitely flatten the back, and try to get a hint of ear on the back, too. Based on the picture, the elephant as is will bulk more than any other piece on the board. I think you should remove material. Others may differ, as it is a good elephant.
OK, Joe, thanks for the feedback. It it indeed a bit bulky (but what else can you expect from an Elephant...?) Flattening the backside, to make the ears thin, and thus indeed more like ears, has the disadvantage that the backside looks more like a traffic sign than a Chess piece. Perhaps it would give a better effect if the ears were made thin by cutting away two other vertical cylinders behind them, just as is already done to create the face, so that the top look would be something like a square with 4 quarter disks, centered at the 4 corners, cut out of it. (The disks on the front side having a slightly larger radius than those on the back, so that the 'neck' is thicker than the trunk.) The ears would still cause it to have a very massive and prominent frontal view, though. This could be reduced by making it smaller size, but OTOH, it would look a bit silly to have a small Elephant next to a big Horse. In some variants, the Elephant is only a very minor piece. (Shatranj, where it apears as the Alfil, and even worse, Xiangqi, where it cannot even jump or cross the river.) In other variants it is used for F+A, which has approximately Knight value. In Superchess it is a quite strong piece (a Mastodon that can capture to pieces at once). Of course in Mastodon Chess, one would be likely to use this physical piece to represent the Mastodon. In these latter variants, the impressive appearence of the piece is quite justified. In fact it is not really true that the size of a piece is related to its power in play: a normal Chess set is designed based on esthetics. The Rookis smaller than Knight or Bishop, while there is no doubt that it is the stronger piece.
Too bad the Seirawan pieces are proprietary. They would be a great addition to the Variant community.
The problem is more:
1. They are plastic, thus ugly
2. They are totally out of style with normal Staunton pieces
3. The set from which they come is even more ugly (way too small Queen).
The challenge is to design something that blends well with a wooden Staunton set. This is made
extra difficult by the fact that Elephants require a non-cylindric design, so that only the
Staunton Knight can serve as a guide to define the style.
John Ayer writes: 'As for hating plastic pieces (I play with plastic, wood, ceramic, metal), I ask seriously: has anyone ever seen wooden checkers for sale? preferably matching chess pieces?'
Crokinole pieces can be purchased separately in Canada - they make great wooden chess pieces.
as €1,49 at http://www.lobbes.nl/products/detail/1910126#
Proprietary means that the designers, Harper and Seirawan, haven't given anyone permission to use the pieces for any other purposes than what they intended. You can't take the Hawk, and use it as something else, and you are not permitted to use it in any other game, but what Harper and Seirawan approved of, which now is just Bughouse. Ok, people on their own can use them as they choose. But, if you wanted to run a publicized tournament and use their pieces for other than what they intended, you may risk them suing you. This is what is meant by proprietary.
Rich: | But, if you wanted to run a publicized tournament and use their | pieces for other than what they intended, you may risk them suing you. Were did you get this information? It doesn't say that anywhere in the add I referred to, which offers these pieces for sale. So if I bought them from that source, the only legal recourse they would have is sue the company that sold them. Not me! The company sells them without restrictions, so I can do anything I want with what I buy there. That is the legal reality of the situation, and if anyone told you different, they have been telling you fairy-tales. Not that I would even want these pieces...
Rich, you seem obsessed with this concept that Seirawan has the right to effectively put cameras in our homes and monitor how we use products that we have bought with our own money.
And how you expect Seirawan to make money from imposing restrictions on the use/sale of his products, I have no idea.
You're very good at carpentry! The only thing I don't like about Seriawan's elephant is how fat it is. Not all elephants are quite that fat. Indeed, the size of a large elephant is very artistic in representing an elephant's power and strength, but I see no reason why it couldn't be trimmed down a bit. Still it should be the widest piece, being an elephant, but not too wide. That said I won't have held a Seirawan Elephant yet, until possibly the end of the month!
However, the image I'd like to portray, particularly in Ganeshan Chess, is the moment of alertness/assertiveness, that being the open ears, open/bloomed and facing forwards. You've made a step towards that I can see from your design, keep trimming it about, and you could have something sellable there.
Plase endow the elephant with prominent tusks so that it can be taken for a young mastodon or mammoth, too. /Mats
'Plase endow the elephant with prominent tusks so that it can be taken for a young mastodon or mammoth, too.' This is not so easy: in the current design, the direction of the tusks is perpendicular to the grain of the wood. This means they would almost certainly break off very quickly if I would try to make them longer. They can only survive by being fused to the lower part of the trunk. I considered maing the grain of the wood run front to back, so that it is in the correct orientation for supporting free-standing tusks. This, owever, causes the problem that the trunk is now perpendicular to the grain, and would become extremely fragile. (Although it would not be so bad as the tusks, wich are thinner.) This could be solved by not making a completely free-standing trunk, as in the current design, but one curving back towards the front of the head, touching it before bending forward again. (And the end would then point forward, in the same directio as the tusks.) The separation between lower art of the trunk and head would then have to be a driled hole. I guess an illusion of longer tusks witthin th fraework of the current design could be made by cutting more space between turnk and front of the head. Together with making the tips of the tusks stick out just a few millimeter more forward, this might be good enough.
about the size of the elephants... make sure their ears are small. We are talking about Indian elephants (Chaturanga) not African ones! : D
I think that 'proprietary design' means simply that the proprietors have the sole right to make and sell these. Once we've bought them, we can tie them to our hats, arrange them in triangles and bowl at them with marbles, or do whatever else we like with them.
I think Capas should be given a viceroyal status, as an analogy with the Queen. They should not be given a tacky design like a Knight on a Rook or vice-versa.
I agree: I have always disliked such 'cut and paste' representations, both as symbols in diagrams as in 3d pieces. If I would have to design a Capablanca set from scratch, I would use a piece with a wide-rimmed hat as Marshall. Much like the one shown below in the picture with King and Cannon, from the ExChess piece set (where it is supposed to represent a Centaur (K+N), called 'Veteran' in Superchess). The Archbishop design, as a Bishop with a V-cut mitre, does seem OK to me. Close resemblance to the Bishop is no disadvantage there, as the name already suggests that. Of course I know that Archbishop and Marshall were not the original names given to those pieces by Pietro Carrera, but I do not care much for the name Centaur as a B+N compound.
The camel is like my piece 'fetiche'. OK OK.. it is lame.. awkward, weak.. it doesn't even worth two pawns(?!).. etc, but it still feels like one of the most logical fairy pieces to add to a game, and in this particular, to a decimal game.
Hope you like the pics. they are poor quality because were made with a cheep mobile phone.
In this picture we can see the Camel compared to the Bishop and a pawn.
The book they are standing on is the 'Classified Encyclopedia of chess variants'
The paint cane said it was good for ALMOST all plastics..
I suggest the name Baron or Duke for the BN, because I prefer the name Fool for the B. As you may've guessed, I prefer the name Castle for Rook.
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