Enter Your Reply The Comment You're Replying To H. G. Muller wrote on Sat, Oct 18, 2008 11:53 AM UTC:To Rich: It seems that what you want and what Fergus wants is fundamentaly incompatible. It seems you are striving for a situation like exists on normal Internet Chess Servers, and to which I am used as well: At any time a large number of games is gong on, and a large variety of opponents is available for new games. GMs and beginners, commecial engines, dumbed-down open-source engines, and people trying to test the engines they are building. People play mostly quick games, like 5'+3' or 12'+5'. Engines are usualy on line 24/7 and many people play them (providing a good test bed for their developers.) This variety makes the typical ICS a thriving community, where everyone can find what they need (provided they play normal Chess or a very limited range of 'variants' such as Crazyhouse, Losers/Suicide, normal Chess with non-standard initial positions, Chess960, and occasionally Shatranj. This is a situation I would also like to see for variants. Offering one variant only, without providing engines, is not enough to make a viable ICS, as the unspeakable server shows. I would like to see something similar to an ICS like FICS or ICC, but then for variants. My interest would be to find Human opponents for the engines I develop. I don't have Zillions, and I do not have the slightest interest in buying it, as it plays like cr*p. I am not interested in playing games myself against other Humans, I just want to see how my engines do, against Humans or other good engines, in fast games, (in order to play enough of them). So that I can spot their mistakes and correct them. Game Courier has a much more limited scope. It is basically a medium for playing correspondence Chess between Humans-only, and Fergus would like to keep it this way. What would be interesting to me lies far beyond its scope. So I think we should forget about Game Courier, (and Zillions!), and try to find a medium that is more suitable for interactivegame playing than the http channel of a web browser. ICS protocol is unfortunately not variant friendly, nd ven fails to handle Chess960 properly. Something like the unspeakable server would be a nice start, (using a Java client that auto-downloads through the browser Java plugin), except that this is also proprietry software, and is buggy on the server side. Edit Form You may not post a new comment, because ItemID Zillions and GC does not match any item.