Enter Your Reply The Comment You're Replying To H. G. Muller wrote on Fri, Oct 24, 2008 08:12 AM UTC:M. Winther: | Muller, I haven't bothered to figure out Zillions's piece evaluation | method. Of course, in the initial position the knight is placed at the | rim and threatens only 3 squares. Closer to the centre it threatens 8 | squares. I suppose this is why its value increases more than the | bishop. Ah, OK. You were speaking on the very short term, after development but before material got traded. I consider that positional evaluation, not part of the piece values. In the opening the positional evaluation is not a strategic feature: all pieces are placed very poorly, but the opponent does also have no means yet to prevent you from moving them to average locations. A minimax search from the opning will thus be able to reach leaves where the piece placement is more typical, and the score of such a search does properly include the strategic part of the positional evaluation, where the evaluation of the single position would not. If you have not figured out Zillions evaluation, how did you obtain the numbers you quote? Does Zillions print its total evaluation of the root position, or can one specify a fixed search depth and print the score of that? In that case you could simply delete a Knight from one side and a Bishop from the other, and note the score imbalance this creates (in, say, a 10-ply search), and then delete another Bishop on both sides and repeat the experiment, to see if the the imbalance is affected. In case 1 you would have BB-BN, which involves B-N difference plus B-pair bonus, while in the second case it would be B vs N, only dependent on the B-N difference. | On 10x10 boards this is an even greater problem. The difference | between a bishop and a knight corresponds, perhaps, to a pawn. Of | course, there are important strategical aspects to this. One cannot | trade a bishop for a knight easily. Well, so you trade it for N+P. Pawns are abundant, and in the beginning usually the sole defendants of Knights. So opportunities for trades like that occur often enough. The situation is not worse as in Capablanca, where you would effectively lose a full Pawn on trading your first Bishop for a Knight. If the Bishop gets worth even more, trading B+P vs R (about neutral in Capablanca, for the first Bishop) would be a natural channel. Btw, I doubt that 10x10 would really affect the Bishop value so much. It is mainly the increased width of the board, allowing the Bishop more forward moves, that causes its value to increase. Edit Form You may not post a new comment, because ItemID Zillions and GC does not match any item.