Enter Your Reply The Comment You're Replying To Clone-Of-Derek-Nalls wrote on Sun, Feb 6, 2005 02:21 AM EST:Rest assured, I am interested in and supportive of the effort to define a general mathematical formula for determining the average length of chess variant games ... if possible. However, I must echo Thompson in insisting that the persons responsible 'show their work' and publish it (without clutter) upon a seperate web page. A complete, step-by-step presentation and definition of each term in the calculation is needed as well as a logical, conceptual explanation of the indispensible nature of each term within it. It needs to be evaluated for fundamental validity and possibly, revised. I suspect the efforts to date are incomplete, inaccurate or conceptually flawed since I cannot rationally imagine what mathematical formula can predict or dictate the level of aggression freely chosen by both players and hence, the actual length of a game (measured in moves) with any accuracy or even within a strict range from minimum to maximum moves. Although I think an optimum, average level of aggression exists in theory and is somehow definable by formula, specific to a given chess variant, for rational, incisive play, I am certain that the rules of virtually every chess variant do not enforce its use upon its players in any way. Even if a valid, crude formula has been successfully produced by Smith and Duke, every chess variant will need a positive or negative adjustment, significantly sizeable in some cases, due to its opening setup. [Some stable opening setups are highly buffered; some stable opening setups are hair-triggered]. Furthermore, game-specific calculations focused upon trapping royal pieces with different, likely amounts of material are indispensible to make any estimate of the endgame length for various games. If I misunderstand in expecting a mere, useful estimate to be more rigorous than ever intended, I apologize. Edit Form You may not post a new comment, because ItemID Game Design does not match any item.