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Rich, I'll respond to your comments in the opposite order. >> 2. I personally would rather not have a big X through the forts on the board. The X's are actually 4 strips of vynil, and are just laid on top of the board in the shape of the X's, and are not glued or otherwise permanently stuck on the board. >> 1. I believe Seirawan and Harper forbid their pieces being used for any other purposes but Seirawan chess. I'll let the other comments in progress address this. They have hit the mark and are on the right track.
Janggi - 장기 - Korean Chess. The variant of chess played in Korea. (9x10, Cells: 90) (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Courier Chess. A large historic variant from Medieval Europe. (12x8, Cells: 96) (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]New Game Courier Preset for 'Courier Chess': http://play.chessvariants.org/pbm/play.php?game%3DCourier+Chess%26settings%3DAlfaerie
I love H. G. Muller's missing link theory! Actually makes sense! Even if it's not the case, makes for a nice little story to tell about this game.
This story goes well with the 1508 painting.
H.G. Muller,
I so much liked your 'missing link' theory that I quoted it in my Courier Chess Moderno CV page on my latest variation of Courier Chess.
Hope you don't mind.
I so much liked your 'missing link' theory that I quoted it in my Courier Chess Moderno CV page on my latest variation of Courier Chess.
Hope you don't mind.
Courier Chess Moderno. A modern variant of the historical variant Courier Chess. (12x8, Cells: 96) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I admit the queen and schleich are weak pieces, specially the schleich. I played a OTB game and ended up with two queens (on the same color) and a schleich versus a lonely king, and wasn't able to force a mate, so I had to agree to a draw. But that was before I adopted the 'Bare King' rule, which would mean that even the two queens and schleich ending would be a win.
I play a lot of Makruk (Thai Chess) so I know how to mate with three queens (one of opposite color) and I find that ending quite enjoyable. I'm not too crazy about the schleich, but replacing it with another Man would be replacing it with a too powerful piece, plus in my view, it would take away the 'flavour' of Courier Chess.
While slow, the Schleich can actually reach all 96 squares on the board (something a Queen can't do), and the Schleich can be used as a defensive piece protecting any piece horizontally or vertically next to it.
From playing practice it appears that the Man and the new Elephant are similar in power with the Bishop (Courier), so now you have four pieces that can be exchanged between them (Bishop for Knight, for Elephant or for Man; Knight for Elephant or Man; Elephant for Man) and still keep a balanced and interesting game. I don't intend to remove the original queen; and I will keep the schleich for another while, the jury is still out.
The Bishop Adjustment rule is intended for variants where the Bishops start up on the same color, which is not the case (so far) for Courier Chess and it's variants.
Thanks for your feedback.
I play a lot of Makruk (Thai Chess) so I know how to mate with three queens (one of opposite color) and I find that ending quite enjoyable. I'm not too crazy about the schleich, but replacing it with another Man would be replacing it with a too powerful piece, plus in my view, it would take away the 'flavour' of Courier Chess.
While slow, the Schleich can actually reach all 96 squares on the board (something a Queen can't do), and the Schleich can be used as a defensive piece protecting any piece horizontally or vertically next to it.
From playing practice it appears that the Man and the new Elephant are similar in power with the Bishop (Courier), so now you have four pieces that can be exchanged between them (Bishop for Knight, for Elephant or for Man; Knight for Elephant or Man; Elephant for Man) and still keep a balanced and interesting game. I don't intend to remove the original queen; and I will keep the schleich for another while, the jury is still out.
The Bishop Adjustment rule is intended for variants where the Bishops start up on the same color, which is not the case (so far) for Courier Chess and it's variants.
Thanks for your feedback.
Courier Chess. A large historic variant from Medieval Europe. (12x8, Cells: 96) (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I also want to add to Muller's theory that Courier Chess' initial forced 2-step pawn moves might have inspired the same move for all the pawns in Orthodox Chess.
Courier Chess Moderno. A modern variant of the historical variant Courier Chess. (12x8, Cells: 96) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I didn't understand from your previous comment that you were suggesting reducing the board size to 11x8.
Looks like an interesting option.
Thanks for the idea.
Looks like an interesting option.
Thanks for the idea.
Yes, I easily won a KMK ending. But traveled all over the board with the KWFFK ending (both F on the same color), I could not find the mate sequence in the time left on the clock, so agreed to a draw. I'll try it again now without the time pressure to prepare myself for the next time I find myself in that situation.
Agreed. My exposure to Makruk has helped me find a newfound love for the tiny limited old queens (Ferz).
My original intention for Courier Chess Moderno was to create a variant that still had a Courier Chess flavour, and I feel that adding the modern powerful queen to the game is a step too drastic.
I must admit, the OTB Courier Chess Moderno games I played were quite exciting and interesting without the powerful queen. Try it out!
I'm working on a couple Mini Courier Chess Moderno ideas, where I'm getting rid of the Ferz and the Wazir, shrinking the board, and still utilizing my new Elephant, which counteracts very well the colorbound Bishops (Couriers).
I will also experiment with your 11x8 board suggestion with the Bishop's Adjustment rule, although I fear that the odd shape 11x8 board might hinder the popularity of such a variant.
My original intention for Courier Chess Moderno was to create a variant that still had a Courier Chess flavour, and I feel that adding the modern powerful queen to the game is a step too drastic.
I must admit, the OTB Courier Chess Moderno games I played were quite exciting and interesting without the powerful queen. Try it out!
I'm working on a couple Mini Courier Chess Moderno ideas, where I'm getting rid of the Ferz and the Wazir, shrinking the board, and still utilizing my new Elephant, which counteracts very well the colorbound Bishops (Couriers).
I will also experiment with your 11x8 board suggestion with the Bishop's Adjustment rule, although I fear that the odd shape 11x8 board might hinder the popularity of such a variant.
I do not need a 'Queen' adjustment rule in Courier Chess Moderno.
The Queens already start off in the same color squares, thanks to the Reverse Symmetry.
Any new Queens on the board will get their colored square based on the luck of their pawn promotions.
The next improvement I see for the Queen is to get the moves of the Man or Commoner in a smaller board. That's what I'm trying in my Mini Courier tests in progress.
The Queens already start off in the same color squares, thanks to the Reverse Symmetry.
Any new Queens on the board will get their colored square based on the luck of their pawn promotions.
The next improvement I see for the Queen is to get the moves of the Man or Commoner in a smaller board. That's what I'm trying in my Mini Courier tests in progress.
Great David! Thanks!
Where do I find Dave McCooey's work? Is there a web link? or is it in a book?
Edit - I found it!
Although this work is statistical only. I'll still have to figure out the pattern and play out the mate.
Where do I find Dave McCooey's work? Is there a web link? or is it in a book?
Edit - I found it!
Although this work is statistical only. I'll still have to figure out the pattern and play out the mate.
Then could you not apply the same logic to Modern Chess Bishops?
No. The Modern Chess board is 9x9, and already has Reverse Symmery. Even without the Reverse Symmetry, the Bishops would end up on the same color.
If you want to continue discussing Modern Chess or the Bishop Adjustment Rule lets do it here (for Modern Chess) or here (for Bishop Adjustment).
Thanks.
Sorry if I'm seeming argumentative.
Not at all. Friendly dialogue is always healthy.
...since you seem to like weak pieces
Not at all again (I quite like the strong Prime Minister [Bishop+Knight]). I just don't want to stray away too much in this variant from the Courier Chess flavour.
No. The Modern Chess board is 9x9, and already has Reverse Symmery. Even without the Reverse Symmetry, the Bishops would end up on the same color.
If you want to continue discussing Modern Chess or the Bishop Adjustment Rule lets do it here (for Modern Chess) or here (for Bishop Adjustment).
Thanks.
Sorry if I'm seeming argumentative.
Not at all. Friendly dialogue is always healthy.
...since you seem to like weak pieces
Not at all again (I quite like the strong Prime Minister [Bishop+Knight]). I just don't want to stray away too much in this variant from the Courier Chess flavour.
I setup the following Courier Chess position in Zillions of Games with a King, Schleich and two Queens on the same color squares versus King, and was able to mate in 34 moves! The secret was to keep the Schleich on the 2nd row of the corner where I was going to mate Black's lonely King, and to push Black's King over to the corner pretty much with my White King.
1.Qd2 Kg7 2.Kg2 Kf6 3.Kf3 Ke5 4.Sh2 Kf6 5.Kg4 Ke5 6.Kg5 Ke4 7.Qf2 Kd3 8.Qfe3 Ke4 9.Kg4 Kd3 10.Kf4 Kc4 11.Ke4 Kb5 12.Kd5 Kb4 13.Sg2 Ka4 14.Kc5 Kb3 15.Sf2 Ka4 16.Qc3 Kb3 17.Qed4 Ka4 18.Se2 Ka5 19.Sd2 Ka6 20.Kc6 Ka5 21.Qc5 Ka4 22.Kb6 Kb3 23.Q5d4 Ka4 24.Ka6 Ka3 25.Ka5 Kb3 26.Kb5 Ka3 27.Qc5 Kb3 28.Q5b4 Ka2 29.Kc4 Kb1 30.Kb3 Kc1 31.Qa3 Kb1 32.Sc2 Ka1 33.Qcb2+ Kb1 34.Sc1# mate!
I'm now ready next time I find this endgame!
1.Qd2 Kg7 2.Kg2 Kf6 3.Kf3 Ke5 4.Sh2 Kf6 5.Kg4 Ke5 6.Kg5 Ke4 7.Qf2 Kd3 8.Qfe3 Ke4 9.Kg4 Kd3 10.Kf4 Kc4 11.Ke4 Kb5 12.Kd5 Kb4 13.Sg2 Ka4 14.Kc5 Kb3 15.Sf2 Ka4 16.Qc3 Kb3 17.Qed4 Ka4 18.Se2 Ka5 19.Sd2 Ka6 20.Kc6 Ka5 21.Qc5 Ka4 22.Kb6 Kb3 23.Q5d4 Ka4 24.Ka6 Ka3 25.Ka5 Kb3 26.Kb5 Ka3 27.Qc5 Kb3 28.Q5b4 Ka2 29.Kc4 Kb1 30.Kb3 Kc1 31.Qa3 Kb1 32.Sc2 Ka1 33.Qcb2+ Kb1 34.Sc1# mate!
I'm now ready next time I find this endgame!
Modern Makruk. A fusion of Modern Chess and Makruk.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Feel free to use any of the JPGs in my pages below in your page to describe the movement of the pieces:
http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MStheprimeminist
http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MPmakruk(thaiche
I've added a link to your game in my page on the Prime Minister.
http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MStheprimeminist
http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MPmakruk(thaiche
I've added a link to your game in my page on the Prime Minister.
Modern Chess. Variant on a 9 by 9 board with piece that combines bishop and knight moves. (9x9, Cells: 81) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Hi Simon!
I'll try to answer your questions:
>> 1. Are there any websites dedicated to Modern Chess...
No, other than here at Chess Variants, I do not know of any othe websites dedicated to Modern Chess.
>> I mean do people actually play it?
Yes, still in Puerto Rico (where the game was invented in 1968), but not as much anymore.
You can't find Original (brand new) Modern Chess sets anymore.
I got this original (used) Modern Chess set last year while visiting Puerto Rico.
>> 2. It's tempting but I don't like the Bishop adjustment thingy.
It's the only kind of obscure rule, but it was the creator's way of solving the problem of Bishops starting on the same color (which the creator actually didn't see as a problem).
>> Unless perhaps, would giving the Bishop the option to utilise one opportunity per game to move one square in any direction be good?
I guess one can use it as an option or alternative to the original rule. It must agreed before the start of the game to use this variation of the rule.
>> 3. Is it one sided playing an odd number of squares? Does Black or White have a distinct advantage on a 9 x 9 square board?
No. There is no advantage for either player, other than for white having the first move (just like in Orthodox Chess).
>> 4. Where can I buy a 9 x 9 board?
You can try:
Ministers Chess (9x9) at http://www.corinthiangames.com/
or
International Chess Variants Board (10x10, and you make it smaller) at http://www.modern.chess.variants.tripod.com/
In Europe you should be able to get other 10x10 International (Polish) Checkers (draughts) boards, which you can customize to 9x9, and use your chess pieces from a couple of Orthodox Chess Sets.
I also found last year a copy of the Spanish version of the game inventor's book in a library of rare books in Spain.
I'll try to answer your questions:
>> 1. Are there any websites dedicated to Modern Chess...
No, other than here at Chess Variants, I do not know of any othe websites dedicated to Modern Chess.
>> I mean do people actually play it?
Yes, still in Puerto Rico (where the game was invented in 1968), but not as much anymore.
You can't find Original (brand new) Modern Chess sets anymore.
I got this original (used) Modern Chess set last year while visiting Puerto Rico.
>> 2. It's tempting but I don't like the Bishop adjustment thingy.
It's the only kind of obscure rule, but it was the creator's way of solving the problem of Bishops starting on the same color (which the creator actually didn't see as a problem).
>> Unless perhaps, would giving the Bishop the option to utilise one opportunity per game to move one square in any direction be good?
I guess one can use it as an option or alternative to the original rule. It must agreed before the start of the game to use this variation of the rule.
>> 3. Is it one sided playing an odd number of squares? Does Black or White have a distinct advantage on a 9 x 9 square board?
No. There is no advantage for either player, other than for white having the first move (just like in Orthodox Chess).
>> 4. Where can I buy a 9 x 9 board?
You can try:
Ministers Chess (9x9) at http://www.corinthiangames.com/
or
International Chess Variants Board (10x10, and you make it smaller) at http://www.modern.chess.variants.tripod.com/
In Europe you should be able to get other 10x10 International (Polish) Checkers (draughts) boards, which you can customize to 9x9, and use your chess pieces from a couple of Orthodox Chess Sets.
I also found last year a copy of the Spanish version of the game inventor's book in a library of rare books in Spain.
John,
>>White has the advantage of a more quickly promoting centre Pawn but it is balanced somewhat by the reverse symmetry.
White has no advantage other than the first move, just like in Orthodox Chess. Not sure where you get that the reverse symmetry somewhat balances the 'more quickly promoting centre pawn' theory of yours.
>> The imbalance between the colours, both in terms of the board and the armies, makes the game ugly,
What imbalance of armies are you talking about?
>> as does the Bishop Adjustment Rule.
Won't argue this one. There had to be a way (perhaps ugly) to solve the problem of the initial Bishops on the same color squares.
>>White has the advantage of a more quickly promoting centre Pawn but it is balanced somewhat by the reverse symmetry.
White has no advantage other than the first move, just like in Orthodox Chess. Not sure where you get that the reverse symmetry somewhat balances the 'more quickly promoting centre pawn' theory of yours.
>> The imbalance between the colours, both in terms of the board and the armies, makes the game ugly,
What imbalance of armies are you talking about?
>> as does the Bishop Adjustment Rule.
Won't argue this one. There had to be a way (perhaps ugly) to solve the problem of the initial Bishops on the same color squares.
Modern Makruk. A fusion of Modern Chess and Makruk.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Game Courier Logs. View the logs of games played on Game Courier.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating] Chaturanga for four players.. Oldest multiplayer chess variant. (8x8, Cells: 64) (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]I've created a 4-player Chaturanga variation (with two 6-side dice) which is simpler to play, and has proved to be a lot of fun for my wife (a non chess player) and my two young kids (7 & 5 years old). Partnership Chaturanga: http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSpartnershipcha
Reverse Symmetry. Missing description[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Modern Ministers Courier Chess is the most recent variant to join the Reverse Symmetric group.
Venomous. New system of chess on 10x10 board with new pieces: the Sorcerer Snake and the even more venomous Sissa. (10x10, Cells: 100) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Good to see the Sissa in action again! Love the new symbol for the Sissa! Very interesting new piece the Sorcerer Snake... It feels like a longer range Knight, yet it's not a leaper, and is a cousin of the Sissa, as the path to it's destination square must be unobstructed. The Sorcerer Snake's movement is actually easy to learn, and understanding it can make it easier for beginers to learn the more complex movement of the powerful Sissa. Well done Charles! PD. Just curious why didn't you also improved the Bishops and made them Wazir-Bishops (since you improved the Knights)?
Ajax Chess. All pieces have can play one square in any direction, the Mastodon leaper complements the Knight. (10x10, Cells: 100) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Thanks for the info David. I wasn't aware of Micheletto's Ultra Chess. The problem (in my opinion) with Ultra Chess is that all the pieces are able to capture each other upon close contact, and a King will never be able to go hunting or to defend itself against minor pieces in endgames because he will be hindered by the check received by any of the other pieces one square move. Ajax Chess doesn't allow a capture on the pieces 'adopted' steps. Therefore in an endgame, a King is allowed to defend himself against a Bishop (Knight or Rook) as they can't capture or check him orthogonally (adjacently or diagonally). The pieces on the other hand get an easy way to find a new outpost to perform their attacks. A 2 Knights and King endgame will finish swiftly in a mate in Ajax Chess.
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Below is my actual rendition of this idea:
For the palace and the river, I'm using vynil strips (cut from a placemat), Seirawan Elephants for the Chinese Elephants, Orthodox Bishops as the Guards, and homemade Cannons.
For the Cannons I used drilled beheaded Rooks (I used the Rook tops to glue on Knights to make Chancellors).