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I'm a registered user of this site. However, I'm switching ISP's--and that will require an e-mail address change. How do I go about doing that?
My new e-mail address will be aquabee@integraonline.com Thanks!
Roberto, Yes, the reason why I decided on ten minutes is that this is a '10' game. When this contest is over, I'm going to update the page to allow an arbitrary length of time to be selected. Like More10, this game is mostly experimental. It is, after all, one of my first chess variants, since I'm a newcomer here. -Mason
I'm listening closely to what you all say about the Burakumin and the starting array. The initial version of the game was created in only a few days, somewhat hastily. The reason why I did that is I wanted to see what people thought. Keep making suggestions, because I'm going to submit a final version later, and I promise it will be a lot better. I think that the Burakumin is a nice piece idea, but I'm probably going to remove it. The game is as crowded as possible right now, especially with the drop rule, which just crowds up everything. Thank you for all your suggestions. -Mason
OK, I'm changing the opening array. Now, for white, it's: 1 1 2 3 4 4 3 2 1 1 N H L 5 D C 5 L H N 7 6 K A 6 7 Where K is king, A is kappa, N is ninja, and H is horse. The setup will also be closer to orthochess in the revision--there will be line symmetry, not point symmetry. I decided to put the Dragon and Cricket out in front to speed up the beginning of the game (the previous setup was really slow since you can't use the 'speedy' pieces at the beginning.) The kappa is further back since you don't need it right away. It's primarily a defense piece, unlike the Ultima-style immobilizer. Early development of Ninjas is also a lot easier now. They're more powerful than lances and good pieces to use at the start. However, with the new setup it seems likely that most of the viable opening moves involve the Dragon and Cricket. Please tell me what you think of the new setup. Notice that the burakumin is gone--and with it, half of the time involved in learning the game. You also start with Silver, Gold, and Platinum generals now, which should heighten the excitement. -Mason
Michael,
what you said about discouraging exchanges really makes sense. However, I disagree with your view that this is a bad thing. In orthodox chess and in shogi, exchanges happen a lot. Ladder Shogi is a lot different in that for the non-value pieces at least, exchanges aren't as common. The very reason why I added the non-capturing Dragon and Cricket was to enable the use of sneaky tactics. It's very easy to 'not see' a potential opponent's move where a 5-7 type piece, which is next to a Cricket, first takes an enemy piece and then escapes to a not-guarded square. Exchanges won't happen as often, this is sure. But just because the game has fewer exchanges doesn't mean that it's necessarily worse, it's just <i>different</i>. Many other games I know of discourage exchanges, and that isn't necessarily wrong. This game just happens to value sneak tactics more.
Well Michael... Not all games would suit your taste, then. The game of Stratego, despite its name, does not fulfill what you define as 'strategic'. In that game, you don't know ANYTHING about your opponent's pieces. So you can't see 'several plies into the game tree!' But I still like to play that game a lot. Same with any game that depends on luck/dice, such as Chaturanga for 4 Players. Not all games are strategic like that, you know. Many games that truly measure intelligence are games that require you to live with what you've been dealt (as by the dice), to see how well you've recovered from a blow, even if that blow was something you didn't expect. And besides, Ladder Shogi is nothing compared to Stratego! In Ladder Shogi, you can at least see, with full clarity, exactly what moves your opponent can execute, as long as you pay attention to the Dragon and Cricket. Besides, there are many possible combinations which involve nonvalue-capturing-value or value-capturing-nonvalue that don't suffer from this 'problem'. And one final thing...I and a friend of mine have created a game (two games, actually) called 'Legend Chess'. They're played on 16*16 and 18*18 boards, respectively. Those games (especially the second) have SO many different things that can be done each turn that 'seeing several plies into the game tree' is null and void. And both of us like to play those games...so I must be doing something right. -Mason
Roberto, regarding what you said about the game being too complicated--I would have had only one 'pawn' type, except for the fact that this is a '10' game, and removing any more pieces will destroy one of the many facets of '10' that I've integrated here. Perhaps I'll simplify the game later (with perhaps a 6-rung ladder) for the 45-square competition if there's enough interest from other CVPhiles. By the way, Michael, my friend has said that he thinks Legend Chess (the first one) could be a contender for the recognized variants. I'm not nearly as optimistic, but I think it's pretty neat myself. It has a lot of historical (think Chaturanga) elements, and it's been playtested zillions of times, with very satisfying results. I'll have to get his permission, of course, but I'll let you know. It actually is quite simple compared to the second game (which we made almost for fun, it's way too complex for most people). And Charles, where did the names for the 3D pieces originate? Just curious.
It's always nice to see a chess variant when you win in yet another new, exciting way. However, I do have one question...would this game be drawish? I can imagine quite a few scenarios where there's a giant blood-bath and soon there aren't enough pieces left for this player to win. If I knew this game wasn't drawish, I'd rate it excellent.
An excellent game with an excellent theme. Maybe I'll have to do a 'Swedish Chess' (since that's my heritage). Since Vikings once lived in Sweden, I guess I'd have to include elements from Hnefatl (or however that game is pronounced/spelled)...
This is probably one of the best games that could be made on a 2*5 board. Another idea would be to allow pieces to use the line intersections as well as the squares, and transfer between them somehow. There are 18 line intersections, however...and 28 cells doesn't sound very good for the contest. I do have one complaint, though--it has to do with the 'repetition' rule. I generally don't like this rule, and here's why. Keeping track of ALL the positions that have been used up so far is very time-consuming in a real life game (though thankfully not in a computer match), because you have to write down everything as you go along. That's why I don't like Philosopher's Chess very much, even though it won a contest. It's not that bad with more10, which probably will be fairly short, but I still prefer games without repetition rules.
Thanks for the information. I have now rated Decima 'Excellent'. I would probably play the Zillions file right now, if I had ZoG on my computer. Dang! Why does Zillions of Games have to cost money, though? I'd download it right away if it were free.
I know it's not generally a good strategy to submit a game without playing it first, but since I was in a hurry to get a submission in, I kind of overlooked this fact :( However, my friend (Andrew Kaczrowski) has volunteered to play a game of Ladder Shogi with me soon. We'll see how it turns out. By the way, if the absorbtion rule DOES turn out to be a problem, I can always change the game to make it more WOtN-like, by saying value pieces only go up one rank when capturing, and only go down ONE when being captured (not all the way back down to a merchant). By the way, the Cricket piece comes from Legend Chess II (see my earlier post) where it was called a Paladin. The only thing that's been changed here is its move (now like a King instead of a double Knight jump, as before). Charles: I understand all about your wanting to standardize piece names. However, my own personal opinion on the subject is that this is impossible to achieve in practice. A chess variant that contains non-orthodox pieces will only be fully enjoyable if it has some kind of coherent theme (such as a medieval battle, a modern or futuristic one, or a feud between two groups of animals). If you use only the 'proper' names for each piece, then you might end up combining a Dragon (N+P) with a Pancake (see the Piececlopedia) in the same game. To some designers this would be okay, but since most of the games I create are themed, I generally don't like to have mythological creatures and food pieces in the same game. As a result, at least some name changes would be in order here. This is why I probably wouldn't give one of my pieces a name like Fortnight (too abstract) even if that was the 'proper' name for the piece.
I think my game '10 Minute Melee' qualifies for the Hidden Ten competition because its use of the number ten is more unusual than that of the other chess variants currently up. By the way, when will the next 'Large Chess Variant' contest be? I have co-created a game called 'Legend Chess' which is played on a 16x16 board. I have to get permission from my friend to publish it on these pages, but it's been proven very enjoyable through playtesting. It would be a perfect entry for a Large contest, but there hasn't been one of those for several years. But there have been a lot of small CV contests--one every year in fact. I think we should have another Large Chess Variant contest soon.
Hey JCRuhf, do you know if there is any 'official' name for the piece represented by Ralph Betza's G? How about his H? I have proposed a tentative suggestion for naming these pieces as part of my as-yet-unpublished game Recombination Chess. The names are Tribbabah (for the 0,3) and Trilfil (3,3). I find that combining the Greco-Latin numerical prefixes with the suffixes -lfil and -bbabah create good names for radial leapers of any length. So we have tetrabbabah, pentalfil, etc. Of course, all these pieces are extremely colorbound (the tribbabah is 9-bound, and trilfil is 18-bound, etc.) but the basic premise of Recombination Chess is that they (along with lots of other elemental pieces) can combine with each other to make lots of nifty pieces.
I think my variant '10 Minute Melee' would qualify for the Hidden Ten sub-contest because it uses the number 10 in a way that none of the other CV's submitted to this contest do. Check it out! By the way, you don't have to play it for exactly 10 minutes, if you don't want to. You can play it longer or shorter, as time allows. I just submitted a non-competing entry, which is only loosely based on the number 10 but which is (in my opinion) my creation that I feel most proud of. It's non-competing because it's only loosely based on the number 10 (it was created before I was aware of this contest). But it will be a competing entry in the next Large Chess Variants competition--I sure hope you guys have the next one soon!
What does 'For Gnohmon's sake' mean and why does that result in the Piece Eater being a red elephant?
What's interesting about 3D elemental leapers as opposed to 2D ones is there's a lot more diversity. In two dimensions, each (n:n) or (n:0) leaper has 4 possible destination squares on an infinite board, arranged like the vertices of a square. (n:p) leapers (where n and p are not zero or the same) have 8, forming an octagon. Finally, chiral (clockwise or counterclockwise) versions of the (n:p) leapers have 4, arranged like a rotated square. A 'clockwise' knight can only move to four out of the eight of a full knight, evenly spaced in a clockwise pattern. In three dimensions, we have many leapers whose potential destinations resemble Platonic and Archimedean solids: (0:0:n) 6 destinations, arranged like the vertices of an octahedron. (0:n:n) 12 destinations, forming a cuboctahedron. (n:n:n) 8 destinations, forming a cube. (n:n:p), w/p>n 24 destinations, forming a rhombicuboctahedron. (n:n:p), w/p<n 24 destinations, forming a truncated cube. (0:n:p) 24 destinations, forming a truncated octahedron. (n:p:q) 48 destinations, forming a truncated cuboctahedron. And if that wasn't enough, there's MORE! It is possible to cut the movement possibilities of an (n:p:q) leaper in half, by taking every other destination away to form a chiral leaper (see above) who has 24 destinations, arranged like a snub cuboctahedron. So there are 3 different fundamental 'types' of leapers in two dimensions, and 9 in three dimensions.
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