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Chess 66. Board based on the 8x8 arrangement - with the difference that 66 fields are now available. (8x8, Cells: 66) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
💡📝Gerd Degens wrote on Thu, Apr 21, 2022 09:40 AM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 12:01 AM:

A really constructive discussion, thanks for that. I believe most has been discussed and a broad agreement could be achieved.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Apr 21, 2022 02:46 PM UTC:

During the night I changed my mind on one of my rule suggestions. I had proposed allowing capture of a piece on the occupied space of a switch when a piece moves to the unoccupied space of a switch. This was to fit in with rules regarding no double occupancy of switches and blocking any movement through the switch when one space in it is occupied. These happen to be the most difficult rules to program, and I don't think they're really essential to the concept of a switch. So, I'm going to program a stripped-down version of Chess66 that I'll call Reroute66. This will treat each space as a fully separate space, and the main feature of a switch that I'll retain is that spaces in the switch share some routes to and away from them, and movement from the narrow end can go in either of two different directions. I'll get to work on it later in the day.


💡📝Gerd Degens wrote on Thu, Apr 21, 2022 07:12 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 02:46 PM:

It's a pity that reasons for programming are decisive for my variant being downgraded. It is also a pity that the name I have chosen should give way to another name. Does that mean my variant is history? Or have I misunderstood something?

"This will treat each space as a fully separate space, and the main feature of a switch that I'll retain is that spaces in the switch share some routes to and away from them, and movement from the narrow end can go in either of two different directions."

I'm sorry, but I didn't understand that.


Bn Em wrote on Thu, Apr 21, 2022 07:38 PM UTC in reply to Gerd Degens from 07:12 PM:

As I understand it, Fergus has decided to program a variant based on yours, and given it a different name to signal that it's not the same game. As a game in itself yours remains intact (and probably eventually publishable too if and when the Editorship approves), just more difficult to program given the primitives that Game Courier provides.

This game differs from yours only in that both a4 and 4, or both 5 and h5, can be occupied/passed through simultaneously. As such those spaces connect to the rest of the board in the same way they do already, they just stop being a ‘switch’ in the railway sense (aka a ‘set of points’ in my native British English, or German ‘Weiche’ as used in your original German page) and become just an unusual topological/geometrical feature of the board.

I'll admit I find it a little odd that such conditionally untraversible squares should be so difficult to implement (couldn't it be done with uncapturable dummy pieces that appear and disappear as the other square is occupied and vacated?), but I'm not a programmer and I've never had a go at writing GAME Code, so…


H. G. Muller wrote on Thu, Apr 21, 2022 08:43 PM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 07:38 PM:

One way to program it would be to have a single square 4/a4, and to introduce a number of extra piece types, each especially adapted to have the moves that the switches would allow. That is, you would have a special Rook for on a3, which would move forward both as a normal Rook, or with a move that switched file after one forward step. (And for a2 one that switched after 2 forward steps, etc.) When a piece of this Rook family would land on an edge file you make it automatically 'promote' to the kind of Rook that belongs on that square. When a Rook landed on a4 there would be a kind of promotion choice: it either stays/becomes a normal Rook, or one that replaces its forward move by a Left-Griffon move. Same idea for the other piece types.

I suppose that through this method I could even have the Interactive Diagram play Chess66. A user-supplied JavaScript function WeirdPromotion would take care of the 'promotions'.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Apr 21, 2022 11:27 PM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 07:38 PM:

As I understand it, Fergus has decided to program a variant based on yours, and given it a different name to signal that it's not the same game.

Exactly this.

This game differs from yours only in that both a4 and 4, or both 5 and h5, can be occupied/passed through simultaneously.

There are some other differences. Here's a link: Reroute66. The rules are described below the board. I'll add individual piece descriptions to the rules later.

I'll admit I find it a little odd that such conditionally untraversible squares should be so difficult to implement (couldn't it be done with uncapturable dummy pieces that appear and disappear as the other square is occupied and vacated?)

That's the solution I already proposed. But I also think these rules are not essential to the core concept of the game, and I wanted to start with a variant that does not include them.


Oblong chess. Variant of Shatranj, played on a four by sixteen sized board. (4x16, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
dead dead wrote on Fri, Apr 22, 2022 12:26 AM UTC in reply to from Thu Sep 9 2010 03:29 PM:

Or with the modern Bishop and Queen.


Chess 66. Board based on the 8x8 arrangement - with the difference that 66 fields are now available. (8x8, Cells: 66) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Apr 22, 2022 02:08 AM UTC in reply to Gerd Degens from Thu Apr 21 07:12 PM:

Does that mean my variant is history? Or have I misunderstood something?

No, it means I am working on my own variant instead of putting pressure on you to change yours. You're free to go with the rules you want for your game. I'll see what I can do about programming it once you have settled on the rules and have described them clearly.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Apr 22, 2022 04:39 AM UTC in reply to Gerd Degens from Thu Apr 21 07:12 PM:

the main feature of a switch that I'll retain is that spaces in the switch share some routes to and away from them, and movement from the narrow end can go in either of two different directions."

I'm sorry, but I didn't understand that.

I mean I am retaining the geometrical properties of the switches, but I am discarding the other rules regarding them.


New Grand Apothecary Chess Error.[Subject Thread] [Add Response]
Aurelian Florea wrote on Fri, Apr 22, 2022 06:56 AM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from Thu Mar 17 07:17 PM:

@HG, Hello I want to use the dummy piece trick here the way you suggested a while ago. I don't know how to define the dummy pawn (a pawn with no capture, en passant or promotion).

EDIT: I mean without having to redo the diagram from scratch.

Can you help me?


Chess 66. Board based on the 8x8 arrangement - with the difference that 66 fields are now available. (8x8, Cells: 66) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
💡📝Gerd Degens wrote on Fri, Apr 22, 2022 08:54 AM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 02:08 AM:

"...once you have settled on the rules and have described them clearly."

With respect for the great job you are doing, but I can't accept that I haven't set the rules and described them clearly. You can have different perspectives, for example regarding the functionality of the switches. It is also possible to designate parts of it as non-essential. But it is not decisive what can be programmed with the available possibilities. It's a question whether the game can be played with my rules and that the rules are consistent. I had to move concerning the access to the switches because my rules weren't clear. That's it from my point of view. Had to be said. :)

I'm excited to see what happens with my other variants (Chees 69, an addition to Chess 66 and Avatar Chess).


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Apr 22, 2022 01:28 PM UTC in reply to Gerd Degens from 08:54 AM:

From the questions and expressions of confusion you got regarding what the rules are, it should be evident that you have not described them clearly enough. Also, you seemed to change your mind about some details in the comments. So, you should rewrite your rules to reflect anything you have changed your mind on and to supply the details that someone would currently have to read the comments to find out about.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Apr 22, 2022 01:45 PM UTC:

Here's are some guidelines to use in revising your description of the game.

  1. The rules should be made entirely clear in the written text. Illustrations should be used to illustrate what the text has already said, not to provide additional information that is not written down.

  2. The text should describe not only what can be done but how to do it.


Game Courier History. History of the Chess Variants Game Courier PBM system.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Fri, Apr 22, 2022 10:32 PM UTC:

Small palette board images with fewer than 256 colors that use the default colors can now be recolored like automatically generated boards. When the developer or user has chosen a different color than one of the default colors, the default color will be replaced by the new color in the image. For this to work, the original image must use the default colors, which are 339933, CCCC11, and 22BB22.


Viking Chess Set. Game board and pieces in search of rules. (Cells: 37) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
📝Michael Ireland wrote on Sun, Apr 24, 2022 10:45 PM UTC in reply to Pim Hovenga from Sun Feb 7 2021 10:09 AM:

Nice!


Chess 66. Board based on the 8x8 arrangement - with the difference that 66 fields are now available. (8x8, Cells: 66) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Apr 26, 2022 06:37 PM UTC:

I have been working behind the scenes to get Game Courier and the drawdiagram.php script to display images better. They can now recolor loaded images for the grid shape, and they can display coordinates above selected boards, which is important for Chess66, because it helps dispell the illusion that a vertical line of movement begins and ends in the same file. Here is the closest it can now come to the diagram that appears in the article. I suppose I should work on options to recolor the pieces, since what I'm doing for this diagram is using a piece set with four colors of pieces and using different labels for all of the Red pieces.

Chess66 Diagram

💡📝Gerd Degens wrote on Tue, Apr 26, 2022 07:24 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 06:37 PM:

I am very impressed, the changed look in Game Courier is a real enrichment. I am sure that many things can be better represented on this basis. I hope that I am not going too far out on a limb when I say that a variant such as Avatar Chess can be better conveyed. A very interesting upgrade.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Wed, Apr 27, 2022 04:21 AM UTC:

I'm looking at the diagrams on my Likebook Mars at night, and on its monochrome e-ink screen, I cannot tell apart the red and blue pieces in the diagrams. At best, they are slightly different shades of black. In the diagram I made, the red pieces, which belong to White, appear even darker than the blue pieces, which belong to Black, which is opposite to how they should look in black and white. For the sake of accessibility for color-blind people and people using e-ink displays or black and white printouts, piece colors with more light/dark contrast would be more suitable.


Game Courier. PHP script for playing Chess variants online.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Apr 28, 2022 01:05 AM UTC:

Today I've been working on allowing players to change piece colors when the board is displayed as an image. Recoloring is not available for boards rendered as tables or with CSS. It works best for the Abstract pieces, because they are the simplest in design. It also works for Alfaerie, Magnetic, and Motif pieces, but the greater detail of these pieces makes a perfect recoloring job more difficult. For the new Alfaerie pieces, there is one more issue. It has to convert them into 256 color palette images before recoloring them. So, they don't look quite as good as the unrecolored images. As long as you don't change the color, the pieces will not be recolored, and they will look as they normally do. I plan to work on this more tomorrow, but for now, I have copied my work to the main server to keep it from being overwritten by the backup at midnight.


Design Contests[Subject Thread] [Add Response]
🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Apr 28, 2022 01:43 AM UTC:

In the past, we had design contests featuring a number of spaces that corresponded to Hans Bodlaender's age. The last of these was 20 years ago when he was 42. Since then, we haven't done any more, because it is a lot of work. But maybe we should do some more since they do help encourage creativity. Since I'm younger than Hans, we could use my age to get some of the board sizes we've missed. I turned 55 on Saturday. It's also significant, given that Hans is from the Netherlands, and this site is physically located in the Netherlands, that the King of the Netherlands turned 55 today. And since we can't say for sure that we will be running a design contest in 7 years, we could do 55 and 62 together as a 55 or 62 space design contest.


Game Courier. PHP script for playing Chess variants online.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Thu, Apr 28, 2022 08:52 PM UTC:

The recoloring of pieces is working very well now. Even with the Alfaerie pieces, it looks like they were originally the color they were recolored to. For some sets, there are some glitches when trying to recolor the black pieces as white, but that's usually something no one will want to do.


Design Contests[Subject Thread] [Add Response]
Samuel Trenholme wrote on Fri, Apr 29, 2022 10:10 PM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from Thu Apr 28 01:43 AM:

I think another design contest would be nice. I like having the option of two different numbers; I could do something nice with 62 spaces if we need more submissions.

(This is the same Sam Trenholme who made Schoolbook a long time ago. I’ve given up on password recovery, so I’m just using a new account. As an aside, Gmail isn’t getting the verification emails.)


Game Courier. PHP script for playing Chess variants online.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Apr 30, 2022 02:32 AM UTC:

I turned the code for recoloring pieces into a function, and I added the ability to recolor pieces to the circular and spherical boards and to the Diagram Designer. But I still need to do some work on the forms.


🕸💡📝Fergus Duniho wrote on Sat, Apr 30, 2022 03:02 AM UTC:

I modified the showpiece.php script to change the color of the piece. This may later be used with the Table and CSS rendering methods to recolor the pieces, and I may modify the pc shortcode to include a color option. Here's a violet King.


H. G. Muller wrote on Sat, Apr 30, 2022 07:42 AM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 03:02 AM:

Does it also work for the anti-aliased piece sets?


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