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The birth of 3 new variants- part 3 : Grand Apothecary Chess Classic[Subject Thread] [Add Response]
Aurelian Florea wrote on Sun, Jan 24, 2021 02:13 PM UTC in reply to Greg Strong from Mon Dec 21 2020 01:51 PM:

@Greg, May you please tell me what is the RGB for the colour #f9f9f9.


Greg Strong wrote on Sun, Jan 24, 2021 03:58 PM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from 02:13 PM:

249, 249, 249


Aurelian Florea wrote on Sun, Jan 24, 2021 04:48 PM UTC in reply to Greg Strong from 03:58 PM:

Thanks!


Aurelian Florea wrote on Wed, Jan 27, 2021 06:07 PM UTC:

In the following is what I did for images and names for this game. I had tried a diagram representation. Unfortunately the 50x50 pixels of the images need to be split in a 9x9 grid leaving little room for things to happen in one grid cell. That is because the longest path mover moves 43&41 and some bent riders bend after the 3rd step. The excepting for that is the joker. The joker is represented by a big J. That got me thinking about making instead images with 2 letters from the English alphabet. What do you think about this? Also if you have any suggestion on how to improve the images I'm listening gladly. I am not talented at this nor imaginative.

 Just the Bishop.

The Rook.

 The queen.

 The king.

 The Pawn.

 The berolina.

  The kinghtrider.

 The chinesse cannon.

 The joker (imitator).

 The vulture (a 41&43  falcon).

 The knight of this game(NmZ).

 The mameluk (WL).

 The siege elephant (FAH).

 The caliph(BL).

The dragon (a ferz then rook).

 A unicorn  (BNN).

 The firebird. A  Bishop3 then rook that can also step like a wazir.

The thunderbird. A rook2thenbishop that can also step like a ferz.

Thanks for reading all this! I await your reactions.


Daniel Zacharias wrote on Wed, Jan 27, 2021 08:27 PM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from 06:07 PM:

I think that for moves of more than 2 squares it gets difficult to tell easily what the move is exactly on those tiny diagrams. There's a lot of redundancy in your images because everything is repeated 4 times, or more.

If you really need to represent the pieces with their movements, try doing it more abstractly.

Using letters would be ok if you can't get good images. Maybe just use letters for things you don't have images for yet.


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Wed, Jan 27, 2021 08:43 PM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from 06:07 PM:

Dear Aurelian

Personally I'm not fan of abstract design indicating the moves. Even when simpler than yours. It is extremely confusing for my brain to see more than one at once and if of course I understand the logic behind, I cannot play at all with them. For example the ones used here: https://www.chessvariants.com/rules/sac-chess I cannot play with that. Hopefully not everyone is like me.


Aurelian Florea wrote on Thu, Jan 28, 2021 02:23 PM UTC:

I have updated the images on all three variants below. The are now just characters. Please take a look and give an opinion!


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Thu, Jan 28, 2021 08:01 PM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from 02:23 PM:

where is the link to see the images?


Aurelian Florea wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2021 01:21 AM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from Thu Jan 28 08:01 PM:

On the comments below!


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2021 07:18 AM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from 01:21 AM:

I guess I don't see the same page as you. I look at it from the Explore>Comments. There I see no images and no link to another page


Aurelian Florea wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2021 08:16 AM UTC:

Try the comment made a few days ago by me on this specific topic. And also on Grand Apothecary Chess alert and Grand Apothecary chess classic. This means:

here,here and here.


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2021 07:32 PM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from 08:16 AM:

Quite mysterious for me. The 1st link doesn't work. The 2nd and the 3rd show the same thing. I suspect that you are posting comments on a page which I can see because I'm not an admin. I can only see your post in the Explore>Comments page.

I try to guess. You want an opinion on a proposal of pieces' icons which are either symbolising the moves or showing a letter.

My opinion on moves-based icons is I don't feel at ease with them to play with. On letter-based icons, I think they have several drawbacks, they are mostly valid for English-speakers, they are affected by the direction from where they are read (same as some are complaining for shogi's pieces).


Aurelian Florea wrote on Fri, Jan 29, 2021 10:00 PM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 07:32 PM:

The second and third links are very similar but different. I have made pictures with letters, but I'm not very proud of them! Thanks for your interest Jean-Louis!


Jean-Louis Cazaux wrote on Sat, Jan 30, 2021 07:52 AM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from Fri Jan 29 10:00 PM:

Exact, very sorry, I had not looked carefully enough. What is your purpose for designing those pictures?


Aurelian Florea wrote on Sat, Jan 30, 2021 08:08 AM UTC in reply to Jean-Louis Cazaux from 07:52 AM:

They will represent the pieces in my new Grand apothecary chess with it's 3 variations alert, classic and modern. I'd prefer to make them alllfaerie style but I have no tallent. So I chose those or the simbolic ones. I have 5 pieces missing from allfaerie.


Bn Em wrote on Sat, Jan 30, 2021 12:44 PM UTC:

Are you sure the rather extensive Alfaerie: Many set doesn't have what you need? If not, what do you feel you're missing?


Aurelian Florea wrote on Sat, Jan 30, 2021 01:52 PM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 12:44 PM:

I need a Valkyrie, a firebird, a thunderbird, a giant and a cyclops!


Bn Em wrote on Sat, Jan 30, 2021 02:42 PM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from 01:52 PM:

OK so for the birds (I assume based on previous comments that ‘thunderbolt’ is a typo, though I suppose md or something suggests some kind of energy) I'd go with either modified bird pictures (things like _PA_cd, _PA_wa, _PA_wc, _jc_af, !aaf, !aak, !aaw ⁊c) or something which suggests the move (so the likes of _JG_bgr, _JG_bspgr, _JG_co, _JG_gr, _JG_ha, _JG_raa, _JG_rc, _JG_rcd, _JG_rcflaa, _JG_re, _JG_rspaa, _MLV_si2 ⁊c.).

The humanoids could, given their moves, also draw from the same set as the birds, or you could just go with the various human heads (ge, maybe th or ch, _MLV_ge, _MLV_ma ⁊c) — as far as the cyclops is concerned, you can only see up to one eye at a time(!) Alternatively _MH_ge kind of looks like an eye.

As for the Valkyrie, idk how I'd represent an actual valkyrie so I'd suggest some kind of augmented bishop. _MH_b, _JG_ap2b, or _JG_apb2b perhaps?


Aurelian Florea wrote on Sat, Jan 30, 2021 03:48 PM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 02:42 PM:

Thanks for your suggestions. I'll take them into consideration.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Sun, Jan 31, 2021 10:38 PM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from Sat Jan 30 01:52 PM:

I need a Valkyrie, a firebird, a thunderbird, a giant and a cyclops!

I made two of these using art I found on the Internet:

Firebird

White Firebird

Black Firebird

Thunderbird

White Thunderbird

Black Thunderbird


Aurelian Florea wrote on Mon, Feb 1, 2021 05:54 AM UTC:

Thnaks very much, Fergus!


Aurelian Florea wrote on Mon, Feb 1, 2021 07:13 AM UTC:

Also don't bother with other pieces as I have renamed the Cyclops and Giant to tiger and lyon.


Aurelian Florea wrote on Mon, Feb 1, 2021 07:16 AM UTC:

Fergus, I don't see them in alfaerie many though.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Mon, Feb 1, 2021 05:05 PM UTC in reply to Aurelian Florea from 07:16 AM:

Fergus, I don't see them in alfaerie many though.

Since the most appropriate labels were not already taken by other pieces, I added them as fb/FB for Firebird and as tb/TB for Thunderbird.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Mon, Feb 1, 2021 05:42 PM UTC:

I redid the Thunderbirds to make them look good on both light and dark backgrounds. I did this by anti-aliasing them against a grey (#808080) background.


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