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Man and Beast 09: Mighty Like a Rose. Systematic naming of pieces following Curved, Crooked, or Bent paths.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]

John Smith wrote on Sat, Nov 22, 2008 03:43 AM UTC:

What would you call a Crooked Panda?

Charles Gilman wrote on Mon, Nov 24, 2008 07:31 AM UTC:

That's a good question. A Crooked Panda doesn't have a Straight EMD, if course. In fact the 90° one alternates between two Anchorite paths. It also inherits the Straight (square-board) Panda's colourswitching. It's certainly an interesting piece. The hex board's 120° and 60° ones (swapping between pairs of Farrier and Simurgh paths respectiovely) are probably less so but would need considering along with it. I'll have to think about this lot, and their Bear-based duals of course. Of course if you've any ideas of your own I'd be delighted to hear them.

Anonymous wrote on Wed, Nov 26, 2008 06:56 PM UTC:

Where or what is Panda? Charles Gilman and John Smith both refer to Panda and it is not in this article.

John Smith wrote on Thu, Nov 27, 2008 01:44 AM UTC:

A Panda moves like a Rook, but only an odd number of steps, and ignores pieces an even number of steps away.

Charles Gilman wrote on Thu, Nov 27, 2008 06:50 PM UTC:

The Panda appears in Man and Beast 06 (see link in See Also section) and in the variants The Seeping Switchers and Commedia dell'Arte Chess.

John Smith wrote on Thu, Nov 27, 2008 09:04 PM UTC:

Hey, I came up with a name for the Crooked Panda! The PROSELYTE, someone who changes their religion, because it always changes color and it's path resembles that of an ANCHORITE.

Anonymous wrote on Sat, Nov 29, 2008 05:35 PM UTC:

What is Charles Gilman's ''EMD''? Also ''Anchorite Path''? I underestand colorswitching from Sam Trenholme recently. Also what about ''duals''? Gilman should define his terms each time and realize we do not remember old articles or comments always. None of these interesting terms are defined in this article but they all are in Gilman's comment.

Anonymous wrote on Sat, Nov 29, 2008 05:36 PM UTC:

I forgot thanks now I understand Panda piece.

Charles Gilman wrote on Sun, Nov 30, 2008 06:56 AM UTC:

Proselyte looks a good idea - and the initial P of Panda is a useful
mnemonic. Now what analogous name could there be for the 120° and 60° hex
ones, the 90° Crooked Bear (alternating between Angel subsets of two
Gryphon moves) and the 120° and 60° cubic ones of that, and the 90°
compound?

If you use your browser's search facility to find EMD and Anchorite on
this page you will see that EMD is Even Move Direction - the direct
direction to a normal Crooked piece's alternate destinations - and
Anchorite is a piece name devised to sound similar to Aanca but without
duplicate the meaning of Gryphon. You will also find the Angel of this
comment's first paragraph - a Gryphon restricted to colourbound moves.

Charles Gilman wrote on Sun, Dec 21, 2008 07:13 AM UTC:

Proselyte has now been added, with a diagonal analogue. That leaves the 60° and 120° versions to name - and the 70° and 110° Crooked Raccoons. I will think more about them.

George Duke wrote on Sat, Oct 24, 2009 03:19 PM UTC:Excellent ★★★★★

I mentioned two classes of piece-types, Queens and Bent Riders. The first thing to ask anymore with a piece-class, is what did Gilman do with them so far? These are Gilman's organized Bent Riders. They include Rose, Rhino, Gryphon, Crooked Bishop... Some are just renamings, and many are Gilman's logical inventions out of the general concept. They would not go all the way to ''multi-path,'' but a few of them are anyway. (Most piece-categories overlap a little with a couple others in each case.) This preliminary comment will follow-up eventually, continuing M&Bxx, skipping from ''04 Generalized Generals'' and 05 Punning By Numbers to 09 Might Like a Rose.

Ben Reiniger wrote on Mon, Jan 15 04:13 PM UTC:

@FergusDuniho

This page has a broken diagram designer image; the URL

https://www.chessvariants.com/play/pbm/drawdiagram.php?
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(newlines added to prevent a long horizontal scroll) produces the error message

The color number 4 has not been assigned to a color. Make sure you assign color values to every color used.

Presumably this is something like {4}, but then this is another regression in the Designer, and we should seek out other pages that might have the issue. But there are lots of other examples on this page with circled numbers, maybe it's just missing a %? (Have I understood this correctly, that {%4} should produce a circled numeral 4, and that the brackets as well as the percent sign is being URL encoded, leading to the horrendous strings in the source here, like %7B%254%7D?

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Mon, Jan 15 04:52 PM UTC in reply to Ben Reiniger from 04:13 PM:

Presumably this is something like {4}, but then this is another regression in the Designer, and we should seek out other pages that might have the issue. But there are lots of other examples on this page with circled numbers, maybe it's just missing a %? (Have I understood this correctly, that {%4} should produce a circled numeral 4, and that the brackets as well as the percent sign is being URL encoded, leading to the horrendous strings in the source here, like %7B%254%7D?

I added a %25 in front of the 4, and it produced a circled numeral 4. Looking at the diagram, maybe a 3 should go there instead. But since I didn't write this page or design the diagram, I couldn't say for sure.

On another matter, it looks like this page was not written in UTF-8, and I have to make some corrections if I can figure out what characters are supposed to show up on the page.

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Mon, Jan 15 05:04 PM UTC:

I guess it was written in an encoding called Mojibake. I changed to JÃ¶rg Knappen to Jörg Knappen, Â° to °, and Â½ to ½.

Bn Em wrote on Tue, Jan 16 12:41 AM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from Mon Jan 15 05:04 PM:

Strictly speaking, Mojibake refers not to an encoding but to the effect of a mismatch between (writer's and reader's) encodings.

What had happened to this page, as well as many others (incl. several of Gilman's, f.ex.) is the same that had happened to this page (cf. the comments); it should be fixable by the same means: converting from UTF-8 to Windows-1252.

Also yes, the leftmost number in the Finch diagram should definitely be a 3

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Jan 16 12:55 AM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 12:41 AM:

What had happened to this page, as well as many others (incl. several of Gilman's, f.ex.) is the same that had happened to this page (cf. the comments); it should be fixable by the same means: converting from UTF-8 to Windows-1252.

It was. Thanks.

🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Jan 16 12:59 AM UTC in reply to Bn Em from 12:41 AM:

Also yes, the leftmost number in the Finch diagram should definitely be a 3

Since he says this, it seems that he did mean to have a ④ in the diagram.

On hex-prism boards the Finch and Cohen can also move one step at right angles to the hex plane like a regular Wazir, likewise the BADBABA (Curved Dabbarider) 2 steps, ERTBUCHET 3, and BOCBLER 4.