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yes i've noticed John Savard's 'Leaping Bat Chess', how he calls the 'root-65-leaper' the 'Bat'. Alfaerie Graphics has a bat graphic so i better use this graphic for this piece, lol. Hard to see much info on the 'root-85-leaper', (9-2), (7-6), got no idea right now what graphic to use for this, but, lol, i'm sure it will go down well what i use :)