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Home page of The Chess Variant Pages. Homepage of The Chess Variant Pages.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Thu, Apr 8, 2010 01:53 PM UTC:
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Color Chess. Chess variant on board with 39 squares with five different colors. (6x6, Cells: 36) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Thu, Apr 8, 2010 03:12 PM UTC:
How knights changes parts? What is piece to start with?

Connect Shoot KillA game information page
. A mix of dots and boxes with chess pieces.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Sun, Apr 11, 2010 12:02 PM UTC:
Link is broken.

Corner Chess. Two or four player chess variant on 8 by 8 board with pieces starting in the corners. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Sun, Apr 11, 2010 01:14 PM UTC:
It's not bad, but 'I was kicking around the idea of how to do a 4 player game of chess on an 8 by 8 board' - such game was probably the world's first chess variant - Chaturanga. It can be played by modern rules simply moving elephant as modern bishop and giving pawns duble step (and en-passant).
It's interesting to make 3-players game on 8x8 board.

Chafl. combines Chess with Tafl. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Mon, Apr 12, 2010 03:11 PM UTC:
Is there game, where all pieces moves as in normal chess, but captures by custodianship?

Cuban Chess. 10x10 variant from Havana with Vampire Bats that move as King, Knight or Zebra.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Tue, Apr 13, 2010 07:16 AM UTC:
What is vampire's value?

Kings. A modest variant with more than one king. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Wed, Apr 14, 2010 04:45 PM UTC:
How about these rules for chess with several kings: moving any king into check is illegal; if several kings are checked at the same time, player must 'save' as many kings as possible; leaving king (or kings) in check is legal only there is no move, wich can save it; if there are no kings, wich are in check, but any move will cause check of at least one king, it's stalemate and it's draw (or, if you are playing variant of some oriental game, lose for stalemated player); goal is to capture all opponent's kings.
Is there game, wich uses such rules?

Daniil Frolov wrote on Fri, Apr 16, 2010 06:13 AM UTC:
No, when playing variant of oriental games, stalemate is not immediately win, as i told before: in variants of oriental games moving king into check or leving it in check is only legal if after any move king will be in check. Goal is only to capture all opponent's kings.

Do Sho Chess. Chess with Shogi pieces added. (14x8, Cells: 112) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Sat, Apr 17, 2010 01:40 PM UTC:
There is one unclear thing: can pawns promote to Shogi pieces? If can, can these Shogi pieces promote further and can pawn promote to dragon pieces in one step?
But it's not important, as most of promotions will still be to queen!

Dual Direction Variants. Adding extra moves to pieces in historic forms of Chess.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Sat, Apr 17, 2010 05:06 PM UTC:Good ★★★★
I like this idea.
I can see one problem in Xiang-qi variant: tank can capture queen on first turn without being captured on next.
Also, i don't like that in Xiang-qi there is jumping wildbeest: what the problem with non-jumping variant of it? Non-jumping camel move must be 2 steps orthogonally and when 1 diagonally outward.
Interesting, that if play chess in this way, game will start with 5 queens.
There is another idea: instead of being compound with piece of corresponding direction, original pieces simply changes to these corresponding pieces. Or each piece changes after each move in this way: rook (knight) - bishop (camel) - queen (wildbeest) or only rook (knight) - bishop (camel). Or, after each move all pieces changes (in one of same orders).

Do Sho Chess. Chess with Shogi pieces added. (14x8, Cells: 112) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Sun, Apr 18, 2010 12:36 PM UTC:
But how about this: instead of droping only Shogi pieces, there can be used rule that only pieces, wich are captured by Shogi pieces. are to be droped!
It can be reason of promoting Chess pawns to Shogi pieces (mainly to flying chariot, of course)!
In original game there is rule that only Shogi pieces can be droped is probably because if you have Shogi set, this game is playable. But i think that opposite rules, wich i just described are a bit more intersting.

Choson chessA game information page
. Korean game, resembling Shogi, mentioned in a novel.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Wed, Apr 21, 2010 06:44 AM UTC:
Link is broken, but i really want to know about this game: wich pieces and rules are used, what is initial setup?

Shogessi (The Allday Wars) A game information page
. An original large, multiplayer Chess/Shogi variant.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Thu, Apr 22, 2010 12:55 PM UTC:
Link is broken.

Elevator Chess. Multiple boards with simultaneous games are linked through central elevator squares.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Sat, Apr 24, 2010 12:32 PM UTC:
I like when chess, xiang-qi and shogi are played at the same time. How about this: on chess board square d4 corresponds to xq d5 and e5 and shogi d4, d5, e4 and e5; e4 corresponds to xq e5 and f5 and shogi e4, e5, f4 and f5; d5 corresponds to xq d6 and e6 and shogi d5, d6, e5 and e6; e5 corresponds to xq e6 and f6 and shogi e5, e6, f5 and f5; xiang-qi d5 corresponds to shogi d4 and d5; d6 corresponds to shogi d5 and d6; e5 corresponds to shogi e4 and e5; e6 corresponds to shogi e5 and e6; f5 corresponds to shogi f4 and f5; f6 corresponds to shogi f5 and f6?
Not as complicated as it sounds.

Little Trio. Small variant combining Chess, Shogi, and Xiang-Qi. (7x7, Cells: 49) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Sun, Apr 25, 2010 04:48 PM UTC:
One unclear thing: if player have lost silver general, but not gold general, can pawn be immeditally promoted to gold?
By the way, have anybody ever played this on game courier? I really want to play it, but, looks like, nobody need it...

Alapo. Game with abstract pieces. Reach opponents first row on 6 by 6 board. (6x6, Cells: 36) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Wed, Apr 28, 2010 01:44 PM UTC:
I have made game courier preset, wich don't enforce rules for this:
http://play.chessvariants.org/pbm/play.php?game=Alapao&log=flowermann-cvgameroom-2010-117-606

String Chess. A one-dimensional variant with a fairy theme. (1x24, Cells: 24) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Sat, May 1, 2010 10:45 AM UTC:
In beggining, there is only one possible move for each player, so we can think that opening setup is this:
DFFQMGGSBBS.S...s.sbbsggmqttd
By the way, there is problem with notation: snail and spider uses same letters! Also, i think, for better storage, better names for pieces must be more or less standart: snail - wazir, bee - ferz, spider - prince, mouse - rook, frog - bishop, dragonfly - queen, queen - king (double step leaps are compared with diagonal moves on 2d board). However, themed names are also good, but spider needs another letter in notation.

Hasami Shogi. Popular Japanese game, playable with Shogi set. (9x9, Cells: 81) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Wed, May 5, 2010 02:24 PM UTC:
This game is similar to ancient-European board games (Petteia, Lantruculu, etc.). These games are more ancient than chess. Some people think that these European games are ancestors of chess. And i think, that it's probably true. But i did not hear before that these games went further than India... So, this game was invented indepently from Shogi, just played with Shogi equipment. However, i think, it's interesting to play this with drops, like Shogi.

Home page of The Chess Variant Pages. Homepage of The Chess Variant Pages.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Thu, May 6, 2010 02:56 PM UTC:
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Little Trio. Small variant combining Chess, Shogi, and Xiang-Qi. (7x7, Cells: 49) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Fri, May 7, 2010 11:20 AM UTC:
Not suits promotion to gold if lance is lost, but ok. I knew that pawns are FIDE, it's clearly described, i just was talking about subvariant with different pawns. For example: Xiang-qi pawns in front of cannons and chariots, Shogi pawns in front of gold generals and lances, others are FIDE. XQ pawns gets sideways move on 3th rank, Shogi pawns promotes as other Shogi pieces here (to gold generals, of course).

The Game of Three Generals. Each player has three generals, which command different sections of his army. (9x9, Cells: 81) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Sat, May 8, 2010 01:15 PM UTC:
I like this. Good if there will be game courier preset.
By the way, what about this variant on 8x8 board, with only gold and silver pieces:
arracbbc
--g--s--
pppppppp
--------
--------
PPPPPPPP
--S--G--
CBBCARRA

P-pawn;
G-gold general;
S-silver general;
R-rook;
B-bishop;
C-chariot;
A-angle.

Palaces are 4x4 areas. Promotion zone is still last 3 ranks.

Cannon Shogi and Cannon Chess. Played on a 9x9 Shogi board, feature various types of 'Cannon' pieces. (9x9, Cells: 81) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Sun, May 9, 2010 02:44 PM UTC:
It seems logical to add 2 more types of cannons: captures as rook/bishop, but moves without capturing as Korean pao/vao. However, i don't remember any game, wich uses such pieces, altrough it's pretty simple idea... If there was no such piece before (and, most probably, it was, but not well-known), i'v invented new pieces...

Hafts. A denser Draughts, but with pieces only capturing those bound to the opposite colour. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Tue, May 11, 2010 10:26 AM UTC:
I invented this game independetly and tried to play... It appeared unplayable.

Who crosses the river first?. A variant on Chinese Chess. (9x10, Cells: 90) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Thu, May 13, 2010 09:48 AM UTC:
I think, he told 'it goes any number of squares horizontally or vertically, but must always jump exactly one piece whether it captures or not' just because he was comparing it with Korean cannon (as contrary to Chinese cannon), and did not mean that it actually do captures. But there still is one uncertain thing (see my previous comment). It's interesting that bishop in Shatar, Mongolian-Buryat chess (it's rules are pretty close to modern European chess), is also called camel!

Chess with Different Armies. Betza's classic variant where white and black play with different sets of pieces. (Recognized!)[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
Daniil Frolov wrote on Thu, May 13, 2010 11:22 AM UTC:
It would be good if someone will give links to armies Peter Hatch enumerated.

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