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Been following the game piece discussion...and as a potential consumer, here's my take. I'm the father in a family of four. Kids are in ten and eleven. We all enjoy playing chess, chess variants and a variety of other board games. We have maybe 20 fairly standard board games. We enjoy chess variants quite a bit, and in fact enjoy inventing variants of any board games when we feel the playing field may not be fair under traditional rules. If/when we need new pieces, we usually just find something around the house, maybe from another game board, maybe from a pencil case or even the fridge, to represent a new piece. Recently played Wuss II with my daughter and we used erasers as the Wuss. Played a variation of falcon chess (8x8 board) and used lego firemen as the falcons. Played 8 stone chess using the Korean version of jacks (Gong - gi) as the stones. Much as I like the variants and the variety of pieces, think that I'd likely just improvise instead of buying pieces. One thing I might buy, if available, is a 10 x 8 board. Have been able to make do with checker + chess board, but it's a bit inconvenient. Anyway, as a casual yet enthusiastic chess variant player, and one who truly enjoys the alternative and obscure pieces...I'm afraid I wouldn't be a consumer. Hope I'm in the minority, as I'd really like to see chess variants spread and even become a profitable venture for those involved.
All games have been named. Roughly 48 hours left to change the games nominated. Time for a review of how the tournament will proceed. During the 7 day veto period any player may veto any game for any reason whatsoever. If you feel it is a bad game, if you don't like the game, or even if you love the game, have played it a lot and just don't feel like playing it now. Using a veto is simply a manner of expressing a preference. If you prefer not to play a game, feel free to veto it. If a game you named, or even invented, is vetoed, please don't take it as an insult. In fact, it may have been vetoed because others are afraid to play you in that game...which is a compliment in a way. Reminder...Each player will play each game that they nominated ONE time. They will play it against ONE other player in their pool. Which player they play it against will be determined randomly after the veto period. They manner of randomly setting the matches will be described in a future post, and will involve the results of the following cricket match: Only Twenty20 International Bangladesh v Pakistan at Karachi - Apr 20, 2008 (18:00 local, 13:00 GMT)
George, Carlos, Charles, Juan and Donut. To get access to the wiki, follow this: http://chessvariants.wikidot.com/cv-potluck-2008 From there, create account (top right). Once you have an account, go back to the page listed above and follow links on the left for becoming a member. My membership was approved in a couple of days.
Joe, saw your comment on the Pot Lock page on the wiki page. Was going to respond...but I haven't been accepted as a member. I think a vigorous discussion over there might be limited as Carlos, Juan and the Donut are not members (yet) either. Doesn't look like George and Charles are members, either. I'll encourage the others to join, but depending on how long it takes for acceptance, any discussion of vetos and the like might be better served here.
Couple of points. George may or may not choose a third game. If he doesn't, he has to decide which of the two he named he wants to play twice. Also, does TriMac HexChess have a preset? If so, where can I find it? If not, how can we play it?
Joe and Graeme, the page and link look great. I've applied to join the wiki group and if accepted (fingers crossed!) I'll update the page as we go. Thanks. Jejujeju games: Wuss II Racing Kings Eight Stone
Ooops! Problem fixed, the Grayhawke is seeded 4th and in pool B.
Pot Luck 2008 field set! Based on current 365 day ratings of all public games, the seeds are as follows: 1. Charles Daniel (Chucky D!) 2. Joe Joyce (MJ the 3rd!) 3. Carlos Carlos ( C squared ) 4. Graeme Neatham ( Grayhawke ) 5. George Duke ( Duke ) 6. Jejujeju (the Jej) 7. Donut Donut ( D-nut ) 8. Juan Rodriguez ( J-Rod ) (nicknames may be edited, no offense intended) Pool A will be the 1, 3, 5 and 7 seeds: Charles, Carlos, George and Donut Pool B will be the 2, 4, 6 and 8 seeds: Joe, Graeme, Jeju and Juan Games must be named by April 14th. Games named prior to April 14th MAY be changed prior to April 14th. April 14th to April 21st will be the veto period. Any game receiving 4 vetoes will be bounced and the person who brought the vetoed game will have 48 hours to replace it. From the time the replacement has been named, there will be another 1 week veto period on the replacement game. Once all games are approved, the game schedule (within each pool) will be randomly assigned. Joe¡¦any chance you can set up a wikipage if I do the text and send it to you? Or you could do it if you like? Or Carlos, are you able to do that?
juan rodriguez chooses : Bachelor Chess Switching Chess Hostage Chess
Pot Luck 2008! Registration Deadline has passed, 7 entrants. We are now at the stage where participants name the game or games they would like to play in the tournament. You may bring one, two or three games. Each game must be named by April 14th. From April 14th to April 21st there will be a veto period. Four veto votes will disqualify a game. The person who suggested that game will have an opportunity to name a replacement. Please don't veto until the veto period begins. To name your games, simply add a message to this thread with the game(s) you want to play. There is still room for one more, so if an eighth player wants to join, first to claim space is in.
Reminder that Pot Luck 2008 registration will close at midnight GMT, April 7th. Currently have 7 players. Really hoping to add one, 3 or 5 more. Sounds like fun!
Reminder that Pot Luck 2008 registration will close at midnight GMT, April 7th. Currently have 7 players. Really hoping to add one, 3 or 5 more. Sounds like fun!
Excellent, George. Currently registered: jejujeju carlos carlos donut donut Joe Joyce Charles Daniel juan rodriguez George Duke Hoping to get 8, 10, 12 or more... Five more days to register
Currently registered: jejujeju carlos carlos donut donut Joe Joyce Charles Daniel juan rodriguez Hoping to get 8, 10, 12 or more George Duke wrote: 'We think two games in ''real time'' would be more exciting [with or without kibitzing] than any one whole tournament over months or year.' Agree with the statement, but know that I would not be able to commit the blocks of time needed for such an undertaking with any regularity. George, are you interested in joining the Pot Luck? We'd love to have you join us. As well as all others...c'mon folks, step right up and join!
IAGO Chess System. http://abstractgamers.org/wiki/iago-chess. (8x8, Cells: 64) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Rich, regarding the iago world tour...sounds cool. Won't be able to speculate on when the Pot Luck may end until we know the number of entrants. Currently we have committments by: jejujeju carloscarlos Joe Joyce Charles Daniel Donut Donut Jeju is organizer, carlos is running tech side of things. Donut is my son, getting involved in variants for the first time. Joe and Charles are 'at least two people entered into it, excluding the organizer or whomever is running it', so I guess the tourney is eligible for iago world tour if we think it'll be done by November. 7 more days to add participants!
Good point, Carlos... If you are still involved in any GC3 tourney games and would like to play in the PotLuck2008 Tourney, but feel getting involved in the early stages of the organization of a new tourney while closing out the late stages of an ending tourney is too much....please let us know and perhaps we can slow things up/down......my thoughts are that the PotLuck2008 won't actually kickoff until early/mid May, and if by then the GC3 isn't finished, I reckon (!) the still active participants can handle a new game or two if they so choose... Regarding Carlos' comment on veto time, I agree...a week it is!!
The Official Registration Thread for the Pot Luck 2008 Tournament! If interested in playing in a round-robin tournament, starting in groups of four, please post a note. The tournament will be played with games brought to the tournament by the players. The player may or may not have invented the games. Each player may bring one, two or three games. If bringing one game, they will play it 3 times per round. If bringing three games, they will play each game once per round. If bringing 2 games, they'll play one once and one twice per round. Different players are permitted to bring the same games. If a majority of participants vote to veto a game, it's bounced and has to be replaced. A veto may be cast for any reason whatsoever. A replacement may also be vetoed by majority vote. Registration closes April 7th, 12 midnight, GMT. From that time, each registrant will have 7 days to put forth the game(s) they wish to play in the tournament. Upon the completion of the posting period, there will be a 48 hour veto period. If 48 hours pass without a majority veto, the game will be included. If vetoed, a new nomination will also get a 48 hour veto window. Each game brought will be an away game, meaning the bringer plays 'his/her' game as black. Each player will play each other player in their group of 4 twice, once in the game they brought (as black) and once in the game their opponent brought (as white). At the end of the round robin, the top two advance to the next level, the bottom two to the losers round. Interested players will be accepted in multiples of 4 (though if we end up with a multiple of 5 or 3 we may be able to tweak it). So...here we are... Step one: Who wants in? Sign up by April 7th, 12 midnight, GMT Step two: Nominate the game(s) you want to play between April 7th, 12 midnight, GMT and April 14th midnight GMT Step three: Once all veto periods are complete and games are set, a schedule will be set up. Pools will be organized based on current 365 day ratings. If interested, please sign up...should be a fun, conveniently organized, efficiently run, quick to start, reasonably timed tournament. Thanks.
Appreciate the input. As a non-inventor (to date), I don't want to restrict this to invent and play. I think an invent and play tourney is a great idea in addition to this one being discussed, but not instead of this one. I have no problem with participants being inventors and bringing their inventions. I'm intrigued by the more radical suggestion of bringing a different game for each match-up, none of which can be brought more than twice by the same player during the course of the tournament, but have concern that waiting for players to designate what game they want to play each round, the wait to see how many veto votes are cast, any replacement time for vetoed games... might slow things down, and as things slow down, players lose interest and we end up with a situation similar to the Game Courier Tournament #3, into about its 22nd month with a 50 % participation rate. To allow more variety, however, in each pool round-robin, in which each player plays 3 of their own games (as black), each player may bring one (play it vs each other player in pool), two (play one game once, the other twice) or three games (each game once). The player will not, however, be able to choose which game vs which opponent. That will be done randomly. At each level, when pools are reassigned (winner's pool;loser's pool), there will be a one week period in which participants can change the games they bring. Still looking at an April first kick-off for signing up. Any more input is very welcome.
Gary, excellent suggestion. Let me clarify that in my proposal the games that the participants 'bring' to the tournament do not have to be games they designed...and I considered stipulating that they can't be games they designed, but opted to leave that option open for now. If anyone believes that one shouldn't be able to bring self-invented games, feel free to chime in. We are now at March 22nd...if this plan draws interest, I'd like to start a thread for this tournament, which for the time being will be called the 'First Official Game Courier Pot Luck Tournament', or FOGaCoPoLuTo for short. The thread will start April 1st and will invite interested players to sign up. Entries will be on a first come, first serve basis, in multiples of 4. First four in are in, next four in are in, if four more sign up, in. April 8th would be the cut date for entries. April 15th the deadline for nominating a game. April 22nd the deadline for vetoing a game (currently based on Gary's suggestion) May first start date...
Absolutely correct, no need to make it the GC tourney 4. I suggest/propose... 8 players, 8 games. Each player designates a game they want to have in the tournament. Once the 8 players and games are known, there will be a one week period in which any participant may veto a suggested game. That game will be replaced by any other game chosen by the person who orignally chose the game that got vetoed. The replacement may not be vetoed by anyone. Once the games and players are known, the players will be put into two groups of 4. The groups will be determined by current rankings. Among the 8 participants, pool A will include the players with the 1st, 3rd, 5th and 7th rankings. Pool B will have 2,4,6,8. Player 1 will play Player 3, Player 5 and Player 7 in the game Player 1 brought to the tourney, as well as the game their opponent brought to the tourney. Same format for Pool B. Each player will be involved in 6 tournament games simultaneously. Time setting will be a pace of 4 moves per week, same as the GC Tournament 3. 1 point for a win, 0 for a loss, .5 for a draw. At the conclusion of the round robin, top 2 from each pool will create a winners pool, and the bottom 2 from each pool will form a losers pool. The same format for round 2. After that, the top two in the winners pool will each nominate 2 of the games that were brought to the tournament and play each other in those four games to determine the champion. This could also be done between the bottom 2 of the winners pool, the top two of the losers pool and the bottom two of the losers pool. The total number of entrants need not be restricted to 8, and any multiple of 4 would be fine with this format. If the number were 10, pools of 5 possible but that has each player playing 8 games at the same time and that could be a bit much. If there is any interest in this sort of tournament I'd be happy to organize it, but would need someone to do the tech bits (assigning games, putting up charts and stats and that sort of thing. ex: Player Game Elvis Alice Chess Aretha Time Travel Chess Ray Omega Chess Janis Janus Chess Karen Korean Chess Snowman Falcon Chess Horse Crazyhouse Joe Joyce Anti-King Chess Aretha uses veto to eliminate Janus Chess. Janus replaces it with Cannons of Chesstonia. Player Game Elvis Alice Chess Aretha Time Travel Chess Ray Omega Chess Janis Cannons of Chesstonia (replacing Janus) Karen Korean Chess Snowman Falcon Chess Horse Crazyhouse Joe Joyce Anti-King Chess With the help of David Paulowich, it is determined that over the past 365 days, the players rankings fall in this order: 1 Joe Joyce, 2 Elvis, 3 Ray, 4 Horse, 5 Karen, 6 Snowman, 7 Aretha and 8 Janus Pool A is Joe Ray Karen Aretha Pool B is Elvis Horse Snowman Janus Joe vs Ray Anti-King Joe vs Ray Omega Chess Joe vs Karen Anti-King Joe vs Karen Korean Joe vs Aretha Anti-King Joe vs Aretha Time Travel Similarly designed schedule for each player. End of round one: Name wins losses draws points Joe 5 0 1 5.5 Karen 4 2 0 4 Aretha 2 4 0 2 Ray 0 5 1 .5 Joe and Karen go onto winner's pool, Aretha and Ray onto the loser's pool. End of winner's pool: Name wins losses draws points Joe 5 0 1 5.5 Janus 4 2 0 4 Elvis 2 4 0 2 Karen 0 5 1 .5 Joe will choose two of the games, Janus will choose two of the games, and they will play each other once in each game. Overall winner is champion. In the event that they split the four games, they each then choose one more game and play those two...and continue as necessary until there is a winner. Any thoughts?
As all of the Game Courier Tournament #3 games scheduled between active players have been assigned, and all unfinished games are currently being played, it shouldn't be too long before the tournament is finished and a player other than myself is crowned champion. In an attempt to overcome the inevitable let-down associated with the conclusion of such a grand event, I think the steps for setting up Game Courier Tournament #4 should begin. I propose that each participant choose one game that will be played in the tournament. This will allow the tournament to start shortly after participants commit, hopefully avoiding long delays which tend to result in players losing interest, dropping out and leaving a bunch of dead games. If you would be interested in playing such a tournament, please leave word in this thread. (*If I'm out of line by proposing this as a mere member of the group, please excuse and ignore...)
Game Courier Tournament #3. Vote for which games should be in the third Game Courier tournament.[All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]Thanks David, I was more interested in all rated games from the group of games deemed 'VINTAGE' in the past 365 days, the results of which are as follows: Name Userid GCR Percent won GCR1 GCR2 je ju jejujeju 1564 1.0/1 = 100.00% 1564 1564 Hans Henriksson hasurami 1548 1.5/2 = 75.00% 1548 1548 darren paull ramalam 1451 0.5/2 = 25.00% 1451 1451 juan rodriguez rodriguez 1435 0.0/1 = 0.00% 1435 1435 ...and was interested because it's the only way my enthusiastic yet not very skillful abilities will ever find the top of any rankings... Thanks.
David, Appreciate the time and effort you put into posting rankings. I think most regulars on this board are somewhat competitive and also like to see the rankings. I'm very pleased to see my team on a board for the first time ever, though the particular end of the board on which we reside wasn't our first choice. Of late, there has been discussion of some of the 'vintage' variants. I've also noticed an acute interest in vintage games that have been rated, as they seem to be more seriously contested. Out of curiosity, is there any way to isolate rated, vintage games played in the last 365 days and see what the rankings are for that? If so, would love to see the results.
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