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Butterfly Chess. Large board chess with butterflies (not Ns), advancers (not Qs) & flying dragons added. (10x10, Cells: 100) [All Comments] [Add Comment or Rating]
💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Jan 9 11:56 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 10:32 PM:

This is weird. In pasting H.G.'s lines I got Game Code (in spite of only 8 files).

I did the same lines from Haru's post just now (leaving out the lines like [div], like H.G. did) and, without doing any of H.G.'s other instructions in his comment to me, I pasted it in the Applet, got a proper diagram (10 files) and got decent looking Game Code too (assuming no 'cruft' added to it somehow). There was no kind of warning above the Applet's Butterfly Chess diagram, either.

Maybe my schizophrenia is acting up, consistently?


💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Jan 9 10:32 PM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 10:27 PM:

No, I copied 'files=10' as well. Tried it again, still got 8 files. The thing is, it even said 'unknown parameter files=10' above the diagram.


H. G. Muller wrote on Tue, Jan 9 10:27 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 04:19 PM:

I got a diagram with just 8 files (still 10 ranks), with some pieces for both armies missing.

Well, I can copy paste that text directly from my Comment into the Applet, and I get 10 files. The only explanation I can think of is that you did not select the full first line ('files=10'), in which case the Applet would not understand the line, and the width would revert to the default of 8 files.


💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Jan 9 04:19 PM UTC in reply to H. G. Muller from 07:50 AM:

@ H.G.:

Maybe something got left out, but when I tried to paste the text you wrote in your post into the Applet, I got a diagram with just 8 files (still 10 ranks), with some pieces for both armies missing. I didn't have that problem when I pasted (all of - I assumed even the first line and the [div] lines might be needed) Haru's text into the Applet, after I removed the blank lines there. The diagram was correct after that (minor) effort.


H. G. Muller wrote on Tue, Jan 9 07:50 AM UTC in reply to HaruN Y from 12:26 AM:
A text editor is any aid that allows you to add, delete and modify text on a computer. When you type a message for posting it here, you are using a text editor included in the comment-submission page. Even when you have selected Text mode in the pull-down below it, it is still a text editor, but just a simple one. And simple is good! It means 'what you type is what you get', no nonsense added. In 'What You See Is What You Get (WYSIWYG)' mode the text editor assumes the text you are typing will be used for displaying on a web page, and adds all kinds of (hidden) cruft in it as layout instructions to the web browser for how to display it, which other programs than web browsers will choke on.

I have been typing this message in text mode as a reply to Haru's message, and copied the diagram he posted into it. This shows there are empty lines between the lines of the diagram, that don't belong there. So I deleted those:


files=10
ranks=10
promoZone=1
promoChoice=BRAFC
graphicsDir=/graphics.dir/alfaeriePNG/
squareSize=50
graphicsType=png
rimColor=#12111e
darkShade=#243065
lightShade=#32a0d1
coordColor=#9eedfa
firstRank=1
borders=0
pawn:P:fmWfceFifmW*:pawn:a2,b2,c2,d2,e2,f2,g2,h2,i2,j2,,a9,b9,c9,d9,e9,f9,g9,h9,i9,j9
bishop:B:B:bishop:c1,h1,,c10,h10
rook:R:R:rook:a1,j1,,a10,j10
advancer:A:[Q-fomcK-bK][Q-fdK-buK]:ram:e1,,e10
butterfly:F:bFfbsNfsC:butterfly:b1,i1,,b10,i10
camelbishop:C:CB:camelbishop:d1,g1,,d10,g10
king:K:KisO3:king:f1,,f10


Although this looks better in the comment, copying it from the web page with the published comment still adds cruft, for indicating the line breaks to the browser (which otherwise would be joining all these lines into one to fill out the lines). But while it is in the edit rectangle where you are typing it it is still uncorrupted.

So what you do to copy a Diagram to the Play-Test Applet is this:

1) Open an extra tab in your browser, where you surf to the Play-Test Applet.
2) in the original tab, reply to the comment that contained the diagram as text (like Haru's).
3) in the edit page that appears, select text mode.
4) copy-paste the lines of the diagram from the comment you are replying to, which appears above the edit rectangle.
5) repair any damage this 'copying' might have done (such as adding empty lines) in the edit rectangle.
6) now select those lines, copy them (by rightclickin and selecting 'copy' from the menu, or typing Ctrl-C).
7) Go to the tab with the Play-Test Applet, and paste it there. This should make th Diagram appear.
8) You can the use the GAME code button

Because this message was posted in Text mode, you can directly select and copy the Diagram lines from this Comments page, and don't have to go through the process I sketched to convert it to plain text. And then paste those into the Play-Test Applet.

Of course it might have been easier to create the Diagram yourself in the Play-Test Applet than copying it from someone else. It doesn't seem all that hard to move 6 different types of pieces from the table to a 10x10 board. But it seems you are bent on doing it the hard way...

Bob Greenwade wrote on Tue, Jan 9 05:11 AM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 03:11 AM:

WordPerfect is also a word processor, not a text editor.

That's my point. I copy the text onto a WP document, then copy that into the PTA.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Jan 9 03:11 AM UTC in reply to Bob Greenwade from 03:05 AM:

WordPerfect is also a word processor, not a text editor.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Jan 9 03:09 AM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 02:17 AM:

I’m unfamiliar with OneNote. Since you have Windows 10, you should already have Notepad on your computer. You can also download Notepad++ for free. It is free software that does not require a subscription.


Bob Greenwade wrote on Tue, Jan 9 03:05 AM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 03:03 AM:

I use WordPerfect.


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Jan 9 03:03 AM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 02:04 AM:

OpenOffice Writer is a word processor. It is for text people are meant to read but not for text that computers are meant to run.


💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Jan 9 02:36 AM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 02:32 AM:

That worked. Even showed your diagram in the Applet right away, before I clicked the Game Code button - looked like reasonable code, too. I'll try again later, when I have time to make a preset. Thanks again.


💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Jan 9 02:32 AM UTC in reply to HaruN Y from 02:24 AM:

Thanks. First I'll paste it here (in this post), edit out the empty lines, copy that, then delete it (else the diagram shows as a public Comment again) then give it a try. Sort of a poor man's way to text edit.


HaruN Y wrote on Tue, Jan 9 02:24 AM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 01:21 AM:

Remove all the empty lines between before pasting it to Play-Test Applet.


💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Jan 9 02:17 AM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 02:07 AM:

Apparently I have OneNote for WIN10, but I don't yet have an account - unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft charges for it. Right now I'm poor as a churchmouse (looking for part-time work, possible health issues permitting), so if a friend has a free text editor to offer me, I'll wait for that instead.

edit: Strange. A Google blurb says Microsoft Editor is a text editor. Like OneNote, some features are free, but likely those aren't too precious to me right now...


💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Jan 9 02:07 AM UTC in reply to Fergus Duniho from 02:02 AM:

Hi Fergus

My laptop is a Toshiba Satellite, which is WIN10 (my techie father may have converted it from a WIN7, as there is a sticker for that on the machine).


💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Jan 9 02:04 AM UTC in reply to Bob Greenwade from 01:38 AM:

I have OpenOffice a friend gave me (MicroSoft Office is not free). Not sure if that would work, if I can figure out how to use it. According to a Google blurb I can use a Special Edit feature of OpenOffice to get unformatted text (if Haru's had formatted text since it's on a webpage of CVP).


🕸Fergus Duniho wrote on Tue, Jan 9 02:02 AM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 01:48 AM:

I have no idea how to use a text editor, if I have one on my laptop.

A text editor is a very common piece of software that normally comes with various operating systems. Windows has one called Notepad. The basic idea behind a text editor is that you write text in it and save it to a file. Unlike a word processor, a text editor works with plain, unformatted text. So, text editors are more commonly used by programmers than by writers. I use a third party text editor called Notepad++. It includes a bunch of extra features to make things easier for programmers and power users, but you can still use it to just write and save plain text.

These days, text editors tend to have standardized controls, particularly for common stuff they all support. Some of the main things to remember are Ctrl-c for copying text, Ctrl-x for cutting text, Ctrl-v for pasting text, Ctrl-s for saving a file, and Ctrl-o for opening a file. Ctrl is the control key, which is marked Ctrl on Windows keyboards, and like a shift key, you hold it down while pressing another key. On an Apple, you might use the Option key instead, but since I don't have one, I can't say for sure.


💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Jan 9 01:48 AM UTC:

I have no idea how to use a text editor, if I have one on my laptop. I'm a dinosaur when it comes to modern day computers.


Bob Greenwade wrote on Tue, Jan 9 01:38 AM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 01:21 AM:

Try copying the text into a text editor, and then copying from there into the Applet.


💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Jan 9 01:21 AM UTC:

@ H.G.:

I cannot seem to put that info into the Play-Test Applet without it expecting more information, it seems. Even before I press the Game Code button, after pasting in the diagram info Haru gave me, there is an error message saying it has 'seen' zero pieces on the board.


💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Tue, Jan 9 12:50 AM UTC in reply to HaruN Y from 12:26 AM:

Thanks!


HaruN Y wrote on Tue, Jan 9 12:26 AM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from Mon Jan 8 04:56 PM:

<script type="text/javascript" src="/membergraphics/MSinteractive-diagrams/betza.js?nocache=false"></script>

<div class="idiagram">

files=10

ranks=10

promoZone=1

promoChoice=BRAFC

graphicsDir=/graphics.dir/alfaeriePNG/

squareSize=50

graphicsType=png

rimColor=#12111e

darkShade=#243065

lightShade=#32a0d1

coordColor=#9eedfa

firstRank=1

borders=0

pawn:P:fmWfceFifmW*:pawn:a2,b2,c2,d2,e2,f2,g2,h2,i2,j2,,a9,b9,c9,d9,e9,f9,g9,h9,i9,j9

bishop:B:B:bishop:c1,h1,,c10,h10

rook:R:R:rook:a1,j1,,a10,j10

advancer:A:[Q-fomcK-bK][Q-fdK-buK]:ram:e1,,e10

butterfly:F:bFfbsNfsC:butterfly:b1,i1,,b10,i10

camelbishop:C:CB:camelbishop:d1,g1,,d10,g10

king:K:KisO3:king:f1,,f10

</div>


💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Mon, Jan 8 04:56 PM UTC in reply to HaruN Y from Thu Nov 30 2023 11:41 PM:

@ Haru (or anyone, especially editor[s]):

Is there any way for someone to use an Interactive Diagram posted in a public Comment like yours, so that they can copy relevant detail(s) into the Play-Test Applet (I guess that's the term for it[?]), ultimately for making a preset (e.g. for Butterfly Chess, again using the relevant Interactive Diagram info from this Comment of yours I'm replying to)?

You can tell I'm a bit lacking in the lingo, but I hope you get my drift.

Kevin


H. G. Muller wrote on Sun, Jan 7 01:09 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from 12:55 PM:

I forgot to ask, if Play-Test Applet [preset] can handle pawns that behave as in Butterfly Chess (i.e. like in Omega Chess, advancing 2 or 3 steps initially if chosen, with en passant possible in either case).

That should be no problem. The Omega Pawn can even be selected from the table.

There does seem to be a bug in the Diagram itself, though; it does not seem to generate e.p. rights for the W* move, as it should. This used to work before. I will check that later today. I don't expect it to affect GAME code generated from it.


💡📝Kevin Pacey wrote on Sun, Jan 7 12:55 PM UTC in reply to Kevin Pacey from Thu Nov 30 2023 09:41 PM:

I forgot to ask, if Play-Test Applet [preset] can handle pawns that behave as in Butterfly Chess (i.e. like in Omega Chess, advancing 2 or 3 steps initially if chosen, with en passant possible in either case).


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