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ND rotated 45° is AC
It’s not rotated 45°, it’s multiplied on root-2 and I call so the diagonal analogue. It’s not a rotary counterpart (except for W/F and R/B)
Thank you for your kind words. I also count Macadamia Shogi as one of the best variants amongst my designs. But of course almost all the credit for that should come from Maka Dai Dai Shogi having such unique and interesting rules; all I did was throw stuff out...
It appears the missing kanji tiles were never made. And probably for a reason: the tiles representation uses the Chu-Shogi 1-kanji set, and in most cases I would be at a loss what kanji to pick for the missing tiles. E.g. in the case of Free Gold both the kanji for Free and for Gold are already in use (for Free King and Gold General, respectively). I suppose one could argue that a red Gold would do, because there isn't any piece that would promote to a normal Gold General. The 'Tiles-1' set in the Maka Dai Dai Shogi article suffers from the same problem; only the 'Tiles-2' button produces a reasonably complete set of kanji pieces.
What I did now is copy the 2-kanji pieces from the Maka Dai Dai set to the Chu Shogi set, so that we now have a mixed 1-kanji/2-kanji set for Macadamia Shogi there.
The Emperor is still missing in all sets, though. It required 4 kanji to spell the name of this piece, and I could not fit that on the tiles. So I am not sure how I should make one.
I had to pause the work on the C version of the Interactive Diagram due to other pressing business, but I certainly plan to resume it.
2 types of rotation:
GZCHCZG HCZGZCH
ZANDNAZ CDNANDC
CNFWFNC ZNWFWNZ
HDW0WDH GAF0FAG
CNFWFNC ZNWFWNZ
ZANDNAZ CDNANDC
GZCHCZG HCZGZCH
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Grasshopper King by Brian Svoboda, AKA autocorr
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Thanks, Haru! With other editing that needs to be done (Butcher and Baker, and the numbers for some of the early entries) I'll probably get it all done in one pass tomorrow or Tuesday.
Would Consul work for AZ?
I think that -- or, perhaps more accurately, Proconsul -- would make for a fine alternate name for Governor. Proconsul could also fulfill the space as an animal name.
The corners of the DZ move resemble mountains
Ah, OK. That somewhat makes sense, at least (certainly no less sense than my logic for Senator and Governor).
ND rotated 45° is AC
ND rotated 45° is NA. AC rotated 45° is DZ.
Macadamia Shogi is, by a hefty margin, my favourite Shogi variant of the larger boards to date. Maka Dai Dai was previously the most enjoyable to me, but 400 moves later I'm stil in the middle game and it feels more like committing to a project than playing a game. Macadamia Shogi really helps alleviate this without detracting too much from the main points of appeal of Maka Dai Dai in my opinion. My heartfelt thanks to H. G. Muller for assembling this variant!
I also root for his success with the C localserver project if it still considered in the pipeline.
Admittedly, the main purpose for my comment to this page though would actually be to raise awareness--if it weren't already known--that the kanji character piece set for the js board on this website has sadly seemed to have broken partially, as a few of the pieces may be missing links now, or at least otherwise aren't loading on multiple browsers I've tested with. I was hoping that these could be potentially restored, as they were a much preferred visual setting.
Anyway, thanks again for all the hard work you've done for chess variants and the like, and I wish you good luck with the future endeavours!!
Would Consul work for AZ?
I don't see the connection.
The corners of the DZ move resemble mountains
That said, the rotary counterpart to ND is NA
ND rotated 45° is AC
What about Mountaineer for DZ?
I don't see the connection.
AC should be related to whatever you'd call ND.
The ND is known by many names:* Templar, Kangaroo, Carpenter, Ouroboros, Scribe, or even (in my Tifinagh set) Yar. That said, the rotary counterpart to ND is NA, known as Hospitaller, Kangaroo, or Princess.
But some editing will be needed; I just noticed that I do have DC and AZ in the Butcher and Baker. Probably those two will become DZ and AC.
Sorry, I mix up DC and AZ, obvious mistake.
Well, it's not a problem of being American or French, although I think that considering that everything may be called according to an American reference is a little bit upsetting for those barbarians who live outside.
Well, I never said the barbarians are the ones living outside the US. :)
Senators have not been "invented" in the US. There are senators in my country too, and probably elsewhere. And they are colorbound also if I may say. Senator would evoke also the Roman Republic. SPQR. Finally, yes, it makes a good name. Your reference to US Senate made me loose that point.
The relationship with the US Senate is that it's in DC (District of Columbia); hence the connection.
And it was the Roman Senate that guided my design of the model, and partially the Governor as well.
I'm a bit reluctant to use Governor, or General, Counsellor, Minister, these sort of names because there are many accross the different chess in the world or in history. My own bias is to think too much universal maybe (maybe because I'm not American, I joke). For instance, the red "King" is xiangqi, the shuai, maybe translated as Governor. Maybe you could be inspired by some names of function coming from the Antiquity, Roman, Greek, etc. to go along with Senator?
My initial inclination, actually, was to go with East and West something-or-other for DC and AZ respectively, but nothing came to mind (it would be something good to do with an animal name). Also, I remembered that there were Governors in ancient Rome (the most famous being Pontius Pilate); I just wish I could've come up with a better representation.
Is there a Governor in some existing variant? That would be a decent motivation to resume looking for another name to contrast with Senator.
(It also just occurred to me that the moves of DC are closer to the center of the diagram than AZ, just as a Senator is part of the central government and the Governor works more remotely, in both American and Roman settings. That's part of why I didn't call it Representative -- that, and I didn't want to make this one too American!)
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Sorry, I mix up DC and AZ, obvious mistake.
Well, it's not a problem of being American or French, although I think that considering that everything may be called according to an American reference is a little bit upsetting for those barbarians who live outside.
Senators have not been "invented" in the US. There are senators in my country too, and probably elsewhere. And they are colorbound also if I may say. Senator would evoke also the Roman Republic. SPQR. Finally, yes, it makes a good name. Your reference to US Senate made me loose that point.
I'm a bit reluctant to use Governor, or General, Counsellor, Minister, these sort of names because there are many accross the different chess in the world or in history. My own bias is to think too much universal maybe (maybe because I'm not American, I joke). For instance, the red "King" is xiangqi, the shuai, maybe translated as Governor. Maybe you could be inspired by some names of function coming from the Antiquity, Roman, Greek, etc. to go along with Senator?
Or not, it doesn't matter.
A well-formed legal move should include the piece, but since e5 is empty, the compose_move function is not finding any piece to include in the move. Make sure each of your legal moves is from an occupied space.
What about Mountaineer for DZ?
AC should be related to whatever you'd call ND.
I'm contemplating the DZ and AC compounds, if I can think of good names (and models) for them.
I can understand your resistance to the Senator and Governor names; they're rather American-biased, and you're French. I initially was going to go for battlefield names making reference to how the corners of the moves point inward to the center, but nothing came to mind (though Iron Maiden might be interesting for SCZ). Animal names are worth considering too.
Oh, and it's the Senator (DC) that's color-bound, not the Governor (AZ). In a weird way, that's even more American (gubernatorial seats change party rather more easily than senatorial seats).
I agree with all your points here, Jean-Louis! But I have two comments. I remember you did not like compound leapers. Also I thought about those pieces in an 8 stones chess environment!
P.S. By the way 8 stones chess is really good but not programmed!
I think AZ and DC are interesting compounds. AZ is colorbound. DZ and AC are worth a look too. That being said, I don't think that Senator and Governor are good names for them.
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Why this instruction: setsystem legalmoves ((e5 a1) (e5 b1) (e5 c1) (e5 d1) (e5 e1) (e5 g1) (e5 h1) (e5 i1) (e5 j1)); gives the error: e5-b1, which is listed as a legal move, is not a well-formed move.
Here is the preset in question.
305. Senator. and 306. Governor. These are two pieces whose names are given indirectly from their Betza notation. The first leaps two spaces orthogonally, or (1,3) like a Camel, and -- at least, to an American -- Senator seemed like a natural name. (DC)
Less obvious was the name for the piece that leaps two spaces diagonally, or (1,3) like a Zebra; in the context of the Senator, though, the only thing that seemed natural was Governor. (AZ)*
I'd originally just looked at these the DC and AZ moves for the novelty, but couldn't find any existing pieces** with those moves.
The crossed spears are from the symbols used by the Roman Empire; the wedge on the Senator recalls the eagle that was used in the Senate's symbol. The five stars on the Governor piece are just a decision based on desperation (I couldn't think of anything else!).
*For those outside the United States, AZ is the postal abbreviation for the state of Arizona, which is adjacent to the lower end of California. DC, of course, is the District of Columbia.
*Outside of Gilman's Man & Beast articles, that is. And I'm sure that if something exists anywhere to show that I'm wrong, someone will graciously point it out.
one of the viewing button becomes a "@". There is an info message: "Lacking data to view this position. To view whole game, load in last move.".
This means you loaded the game from an earlier position instead of from the latest position. You might have done this accidentally by clicking the View button, which used to be the only way to navigate through the moves of a game. You should follow the instructions and load it from the latest position. Click on the >|
button, then click on the View button. This will load the game at the last move, making all past moves accessible without the need to reload any of them.
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I'm glad that you will continue the C project for the Interactive diagram. Good luck with that!