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Charles, I will not ask you to assign the name Ibis to the Zemel (we can live with multiple names for the same piece), but IMO you should consider giving the (1,8)-leaper another name.
ah that's ok Joe, all is fine now i hope, i kind of didn't even realise things got out of hand a bit here. Let's all forgive and be friends, i know the nameing of pieces can sometimes cause 'friction' among people, but let's try to remember, it's not really that much of a big deal hehe. I don't want to get off the topic here, but, i am going to update this game (hehe) to fix the 'early check' problem arising from the 'trippers' on h1 and h10. At first i was going to simply remove them and not even replace them with anything but i now i'm thinking i could replace them with the 'threeleaper'. I know Jeremy Good has played a few games of 'Sky' on game courier here and wanted to know his opinion of this. Anyone who has thoughts on this i would be interested to hear too. Thanks all.
Die Schwalbe is one of the leading problemist's journals (hey, they have journals allowing them to standardise on names!), therefore I consider their usage as well established. The Schwalbe reference gives no date when the name Ibis was assigned to (1,5) leaper, but here you can find a problem from 1999 using the Ibis:
www.softdecc.com/pdb/search.pdb?expression=CREATIONDATE%3E=20101230
(a quick google search with 'ibis chess problem' turned up this page as first hit).
To Christine: My first name is Jörg iwth an O-umlaut as second letter.
Please pardon my intrusion, Christine, gentlemen. As an editor, I insist on a certain amount of decorum in these pages, and request that the topic be confined more or less to chess or something similar. Further, certain comments may cross boundaries that should not be crossed on this site. I have edited part of a comment out, and will continue to remove comments I deem offensive for a child-friendly chess variants site while I am an editor. Disagreements are fine, but they must be carried on in a civil fashion. I fully understand passions of many sorts may run high for many reasons, but I also see, from my English-only viewpoint, that there are often misunderstandings as we all try to communicate in this one language. Claudio, Fergus is quite right - Charles was not making that comment seriously. Further, he has apologized for this totally unintentional slight... I request that those involved in this or other disputations look at what they have written and what they will write, and delete any personal or offensive comments. I do not wish to have to do it for you. I really do not like doing this. I remind everyone this site is looked at by thousands of children as well as adults. Please make your comments with our total audience in mind. Again, Christine, my apologies. Your excellent game's comment page is no place for this. I hope everyone will take my not too subtle hints and make appropriate amends, so we can forget about this, and get on with the serious business of arguing chess. Thank you. Joe
i'm not fully sure what is going on around here but it's entertaining. *makes popcorn*
Charles: You owe me an apologie! After all you acused me to made you look vain, when it' was clearly a typo!!!! Does the the words:'Sorry Claudio. You right! I'm didn't noticed the first comment!'. Aren't in your vocabulary??!! The lack of a apologie really did you look vain, after all uncapable to admit that you made a minor mistake. At least GEORGE DUKE PAYS ATENTION IN WHAT I WRITE!
This is quite a claim from someone who in September 2002 said here: 'I have collected the names of leapers from several sources, the (1,5)-leaper is yet unnamed to my knowledge.' Subsequent comments include my March 2003 suggestion of Zemel for 5:1 and April 2003 suggestion of Ibis for 8:1, but no immeditae objection. Do you know whether the usage that you describe is a problematist's, or whether it has ever been used in a game? There is a strong tendency on these pages to disregard problematists' usage - my own adoption of, and extrapolation from, Sexton for 2:1:1 is something of an exception. Certainly few here feel any obligation to call Rook+Knight Empress rather than the Marshal or Chancellor of established variants such as Capablanca Chess.
C.B.-J.: I've never heard of him. How did you find out about him to set up your link to his problems?
Thank you very much for the link there Mr. Knappen (i can't read your first name, webpage doesn't show 2nd letter, is it 'Jorg'). That page looks fantastic, lots of info, but it's in german right, lol, dang i can't read it lol. I can make out some stuff though, and yes the 5-1 leaper there is called 'Ibis', and, come to think of it, i don't know if i have ever seen the 5-1 even mentioned. Also that page show's the 'flamingo', and besides this site, that is another leaper that is not mentioned on other pages too, i don't think George Jelliss has it on his page. Also, that page gives two names for the 4-2 leaper, 'Lancer' and 'Hase'. Mr. Jelliss also calls 4-2 leaper 'Lancer', so, this page is not connected with him, right? Oh, Charles, who is 'Torsten Linss', u give a link to some problems he composed about the 'flamingo'.
From the same source: Interstingly, german and english names diverge for the (2,4)-leaper. While by Jeliss, the name lancer is well established, there is the german name 'Hase' (meaning hare).
Unfortunately, Ibis is a well established and published name for the (1,5)-leaper, see e.g., here: http://www.dieschwalbe.de/lexikon.htm
Charles, if you just take a look on my first post (where I rated the game) you'll notice that the charlais was just a typo! There I used the correct name charolais. Hugs and still waiting for that beers (LOL)!
I never saw 3:3 + 0:3 and a 4:4 + 0:4 compound. A hint: always take a look in Taikoku Shogi it might have not only the piece, but a poetic name too, another good source is Adrian King's work. Hugs & Kisses, or send me a good beer! ;) (Sorry I'm a carioca brazilian and I love to play, tease, with people I admire and like).
Charles Gilman proposed Charlais for the 4:2 leaper, I propose templar, because the Knights Templar seal shows two knights sharing a single horse. Hugs & Kisses!
Couldn't we get a better name for the (0,3), (3,3), (0,4) and (4,4) leapers? I'm not very fond of these names... Tha name lancer, C.G. uses charolais, seems nice. Kisses!
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The simple truth is, variant designers rejected problematist names long before I joined these pages, and problematists rejected names from variants still earlier. The problematists had their chance when naming the Rook+Knight and Bishop+Knight compounds. They had a lot to choose from if they could be bothered to research them, but they just came up with new ones. It was in search of 'the' standard set of names (esp. for 3d pieces as it happened) that I found these pages. Had a consensus built up over both communities I would have been the first to go along with it but none had. From what little I've seen of problematists on these pages I get the impression that we don't even featuire on their radar. Why should we stick up for their usages when they've never stuck up for ours? Sorry for all the passion, but it really is too late to do anything about it.